Guy Fawkes' blog of parliamentary plots, rumours and conspiracy: McTernan Grassed

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Anonymous said...: Significant that its a murdoch paper. If this proves incorrect then Goldsmith has the option of 'national interest' and 'cant get a fair trial, unlikely to result in conviction' blah as an excuse.

Or am I just too cynical?; February 4, 2007 at 10:13 AM
Anonymous said...: It's in the "national interest" to lock Bliar and his cronies up.; February 4, 2007 at 10:17 AM
Anonymous said...: when has the national interest ever bothered this bunch of crooks?; February 4, 2007 at 10:21 AM
Sabretache said...: Maybe the 'National Interest' would be best served by halting the investigation altogether. After all, just look how long it has been going on and the damage it is doing to the ruling Party - whose interests must surely coincide with the 'National Interest' even more than that gaggle of Saudi Princes.

Come on Mr Attorney General - you know what has to be done.; February 4, 2007 at 10:27 AM
Anonymous said...: I love it when a plan comes together !; February 4, 2007 at 10:27 AM
Anonymous said...: They don't like it up 'em !

I'm sure Murdoch will have been 'royally' pissed off that one of his journos has ended up in the clink - perhaps he is going to be looking for 'payback' to show them who really runs this country ?; February 4, 2007 at 10:29 AM
Oriental Orator said...: I agree. I've just been listening to some idiots on radio 5 rattling on about how he is the greatest PM of our generation.

They aare dead in the water, I think hes gone inside a week.; February 4, 2007 at 10:31 AM
Anonymous said...: Have just read that story and it is red hot - I wouldn't go for any country walks if I were John McNumpty...

I shall be singing that old Kid Creole song in the bath this morning...

'Stool Pigeon, cha cha cha....
If you want to squeal to the FBI
We can make a deal
Make it worth your while.

So he told it all and in return
He got a credit card and a Thunderbird.
..
But he couldn't buy any company...'

Ace Ace Ace; February 4, 2007 at 10:37 AM
Anonymous said...: Any one like to offer a guess about how much of this story and the others on the subject in Sundays Papers appear on the BBC website. Answer Naff all, only a piece with Tessa Jowell saying Blair should be allowed to get on with the job. Says it all about the BBC perspective.

And I thought the BBC was meant to be for all of us.....; February 4, 2007 at 10:39 AM
Anonymous said...: and the S T has quite reasonable coverage of the gordo / Sith / tax evasion story. One thing about Murdoch, he can smell a looser a mile off and right now the whole nulab thing reeks of H5N1 !!; February 4, 2007 at 10:41 AM
Anonymous said...: Forgive me, Father Guido, for I have spinned...

I said this story wasn't going anywhere, that it was just 'Westminster Village' gossip, that the public at large were not interested, that Teflon Tone would get away with it because nobody gives a shit unless their own wallet is affected.

But the people of Britain are better than that. Their sense of 'fair play' has been offended, and now Blair is looking as precarious as that cargo ship off the Devon Coast - holed below the waterline...; February 4, 2007 at 10:42 AM
Anonymous said...: Time for the Civil Contingencies Act to be wheeled into action; February 4, 2007 at 10:44 AM
Anonymous said...: 'Time for the Civil Contingencies Act to be wheeled into action'

No need to be apocalyptic, a general election will sort it all out.; February 4, 2007 at 10:49 AM
Anonymous said...: Blair is busy running around putting his house in order - he will be interviewed under caution any day now.; February 4, 2007 at 10:52 AM
Anonymous said...: Remember that during the 90's the courts decided the 'National Interest' was synonymous with the interests of the government of the day. I think that was during the Matrix Churchill trial

As p2 said, a change of regime is always painful for some (entertaining for others) but we should keep our perspective. Blair is finished but he and this fuss will be forgotten within the year.; February 4, 2007 at 10:55 AM
Anonymous said...: New Labour's Andrew Marr only mentioned the honours row in passing and forgot to show any anti-Labour New stories, including the front page of the Express.

He kept going on about what a non-stroy Bird-flu was. Yes you idiot, if it's anon-story why are going on about it.

Andrew Marr is no more a political journalist than Ali Campbell.

Andrew Marr is quite simply politically-psychotic.; February 4, 2007 at 11:00 AM
Anonymous said...: There's some good analysis in the Telegraph this morning, with one lovely line from a Labour MP. "It's not the men in grey suits we need it's the men in white coats."; February 4, 2007 at 11:10 AM
uk-events said...: Oh god I hope its true (that Blair gets interviewed under caution) - after all, its Downing Street who have made a big deal out of "he's been interviewed as a witness, he hasn't been cautioned" - surely even they can't spin it if he's cautioned.

His calls for calm will be totally ignored in these circumstances and he'd not survive til the 10 year anniversary.

Thank you Guido. I don't read the NOTW so might have missed this - you've just made my day!; February 4, 2007 at 11:11 AM
The Constituent said...: 'Time for the Civil Contingencies Act to be wheeled into action'

Yes, great timing from the avian flu epidemic! If it goes much further a few placards in Parliament square wouldn't go amiss...; February 4, 2007 at 11:22 AM
Anonymous said...: You see the 'main stream media' aren't a complete waste of dead trees...; February 4, 2007 at 11:24 AM
Anonymous said...: This is the current plan:

1. Attempt to derail the police investigation through leaks, disinformation, political pressure and attempts to provoke counter-leaks.

2. Attempt to forestall the CPS by provoking a climate in which it can be claimed there will be "no prospect of a fair trial, thanks to the media". Also, claim that the police investigation is "undermining democracy".

3. Set up a Commons Public Adminstration committe investigation into cash-for-honours under the tame chairman, with one large bucket of whitewash as the last item of evidence.

4. Public funding for political parties, a slightly soiled "legacy" by comparison, but no one doing jail time. Champagne all round, a bigger house in Connaught Square and the lucrative US lecture circuit.

Trouble is, the plan isn't quite working. If the Screws article claim (repeated in the Sunday Times for those with a reading age of greater than an 8 year old) is correct, that will be the smoking gun.

The cops will not charge anyone until the case is complete, as to do so would bring down Bliar. Likewise, they will not interview ?Bliar under caution as a suspect until the case is watertight, for the same reason. The case now appears to be nearly complete, so it may be time for me to put the champers in the fridge!

If the plan (or a variation thereof) did work and the CPS or A-G dropped the case, there would be unprecedented public uproar. Referring to the Hutton furore and later "innocent" verdict does Bliar no favours as there are only a handful of people who believe it to be anything other than a whitewash.

The Bliarites are screwed no matter what happens. Bliar doesn't even have to face charges although it will be sweeter if he did.

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/images/albums/userpics/13767/cell_door_bliar2.jpeg; February 4, 2007 at 11:24 AM
Anonymous said...: Trumpeter Lanfried - men in grey suits, men in white coats, boys in blue - who will get there first?; February 4, 2007 at 11:35 AM
Anonymous said...: Jess The Dog said...

Sunday Times for those with a reading age of greater than an 8 year old)

I haven't read a newspaper for 20 years , can you please tell me my age I dont want to be left out; February 4, 2007 at 11:37 AM
Anonymous said...: Javelin said ' Andrew Marr is simply politically-psychotic'.
I prefer to think of the little arse licker as politically-cyclopic; February 4, 2007 at 11:43 AM
Anonymous said...: The problem Markinchiswick should realise is that even if the Screws story is a load of cobblers the damage has been done. As far as the workers are concerned it must be true because it is in the Screws. If it isn't true then Mcternan should do a Sheridan and sue.; February 4, 2007 at 11:50 AM
Anonymous said...: markinchiswick said...
I've just been told by someone close to Mcternan that he finds the Ian Kirby story histerically funny - complete fabrication. Usual wishful thinking bollocks from the Blairhaters...sorry...wrong again!

On the contrary, the NOTW have confirmed this story and there will be 3 arrests within weeks so give over with the spin soft lad.

The game's almost up.; February 4, 2007 at 11:51 AM
Anonymous said...: markinchiswick - who finds the story funny, Mcternan or the 'friend'?

Do grasses usually confess what they've done to those they've grassed on?

Seeing as Mcternan is paid to lie, how much credence should we give to his view now?; February 4, 2007 at 11:52 AM
Anonymous said...: Don't we need a programme of delabourfication. 1. Declare the Labour party a criminal organisation. Repeal all laws passed after 1 May 1997.Charge Blair and the Cabinet with Crimes against Humanity. No doubt the Saudis will offer them all political asylum and save the cost of a trial. Hollywood can then sign up Tony and Cherie to play themselves as the last Despots of England.; February 4, 2007 at 11:56 AM
Anonymous said...: The biggest LIAR around here is markinchiswick.

Isn't that right "mark"?; February 4, 2007 at 11:57 AM
Anonymous said...: It's clear that Blair is toast but let's not let his would-be successor off the hook.

Here is Brown's appalling legacy to Britain from his ten years as Chancellor:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml;jsessionid=TGL4WSCA0G3LRQFIQMGSFF4AVCBQWIV0?xml=/opinion/2007/02/04/do0405.xml; February 4, 2007 at 12:00 PM
Anonymous said...: Ahhhh Sunday. Blair fucked, spin machine fucked, legacy fucked. Whole party fucked, really.
Plus the rugby and the football.
Some alcohol today, I think.; February 4, 2007 at 12:00 PM
Anonymous said...: "Usual wishful thinking bollocks from the Blairhaters...sorry...wrong again!"

What is it about Blair that you love? Even his own party is turning against him.; February 4, 2007 at 12:03 PM
Anonymous said...: It could hardly get better, could it?
Dunno though, if it turns out that Toni borrowed £800,000 in cash for his new gaff from Geoffrey Robinson, David Mills and Berlusconi, with Mandy and Tessa as bag-carriers, it'd be the icing on the cake.; February 4, 2007 at 12:05 PM
Anonymous said...: Do you have some sort of grouse about these folks Guido?; February 4, 2007 at 12:05 PM
Anonymous said...: Oh dear, it's all looking a bit rough for the Labour Party isn't it? Reap, sow, etc. Who do we actually want to run Britain though?; February 4, 2007 at 12:13 PM
Anonymous said...: I think it is Nulabour which it is looking rough for. Perhaps they can get rid of Bliar and cut out the cancer of bent and twisted politics and retrieve the Labour party of old, with its trusty shield of fair play.; February 4, 2007 at 12:17 PM
Anonymous said...: Is it possible to annul the 2005 election result?; February 4, 2007 at 12:18 PM
Anonymous said...: Not sure we should take anything in the Screws too seriously?? Unless they are continuing their practice of listening in on other people's phones. Now, eavesdropping on Yates, that would be risky?; February 4, 2007 at 12:20 PM
Anonymous said...: 'his own party is turning against him'

Anon

The difference between Old Tory and Old Labour is we arent prepared to sell our souls to any old charlatan in return for power. Hence Cameron needs to recognise this and offer a proper EU policy. His drivel in the Telegraph today is laughable.; February 4, 2007 at 12:20 PM
Little Black Sambo said...: Everything Tone does is in the national interest. Don't you remember the 1997 manifesto: "New Labour is the political arm of none other than the British people as a whole".; February 4, 2007 at 12:21 PM
Anonymous said...: From the 'Sunday Times'
"Backbenchers are dismayed and fearful. Last week one said: “We’re heading for disaster. Were Blair to be wiped out in something that got the party enormous sympathy, that would be the best of all possible worlds.”

Bizarre - are they hoping MI5 will step in ??; February 4, 2007 at 12:25 PM
Anonymous said...: 'his own party is turning against him'

Anon

They have never supported him, they are all CND supporting, sandal wearing, northern, unemployable, anti-globalisation, anti-corruption, one size fits all, bread-queueing, chip on shoulder socialists.

The difference between Old Tory and Old Labour is we arent prepared to sell our souls to any old charlatan in return for power. Hence Cameron needs to recognise this and offer a proper EU policy. His drivel in the Telegraph today is laughable.; February 4, 2007 at 12:26 PM
Anonymous said...: Chris Evans is an expert at screwing shareholders. Bend over Chris its your turn now. Capt Skidmark get the gloves and proctoscope ready. We will shortly have a patient in need of major reconstruction of rectum. A real video nasty.; February 4, 2007 at 12:31 PM
Anonymous said...: I've always wondered about the links between Blair and Berlusconi. I'm sure Sylvio didn't give Bliar all those expensive gifts out of the goodness of his heart.; February 4, 2007 at 12:32 PM
Anonymous said...: News of the Screws must be Prescott’s favourite Sunday morning read as he sits in the cowboy suit eating his fry up, or at least it is now.

If Blair is charged the Palace might be old fashioned enough to ask him round for a chat and ask if the job is distracting him from defending his case. The consequences of a failed defence in something so close to the Crown are going to be made plain, never mind the damage he has done to the Monarchy that will be quite evident in every newspaper around the world merely if he is charged.

The nightmare is getting closer, lardy boy Prescott squeezing through the door of No.10.; February 4, 2007 at 12:36 PM
Anonymous said...: Bliar genuinely believes he has done nothing wrong. He is genuinely deluded. He probably believes there is a bunker full of WMD in Iraq yet to be found, amongst other things. Hence his belief that this will come to nothing.

Some years ago it probably would have, but the Met are acutely conscious of the damage a whitewash would have done after Hutton and the De Menezes shooting in their own case.

So it appears that Levy, McTernan, Powell and Turner discussed hiding the evidence and Turner did the deleting. These 4 in the dock (possibly not McTernan if he did the grassing) and Bliar as a witness, interviewed under caution and possibly charged later. These are glorious days indeed, to be savoured and remembered!

If any Labour lackey is wondering why I hate Bliar, it is because he is responsible for the deaths of the British troops sent to fight his illegal war of vanity and delusion. I resigned my commission after the Hutton report.; February 4, 2007 at 12:44 PM
AntiCitizenOne said...: > Who do we actually want to run Britain though?

We have far too many people "running Britain" (into the ground).

I suggest we could do with a spell of putting people in charge of their own lives, and banning coerced collectivism (socialism).; February 4, 2007 at 12:54 PM
Anonymous said...: I hope all of you are aware that blogging like this seriously upsets Polly Toynbee - as lowly members of the public, you have no right to make any comments without a beginning, middle or end, and without phoning (!) at least 3 contacts for genuine information.

Smack botties, all of you naughty boys!; February 4, 2007 at 12:55 PM
Anonymous said...: Surely now his time in number 10 can only be counted in weeks, if not days. A fitting end to a prime minister whose cronyism and sleaze outstrips the government who came before him.; February 4, 2007 at 12:56 PM
Anonymous said...: Some lads those Scotch SNP team

McTernan went to Scotland lost the colliegate Downing Street bunker stick together mentality. After McT's interview it all fell apart with the Turner arrest Levy etc.

Levy and Turner have now to ask themselves are they going to take Blair's bullet. They will remember how Blair laid down and trampled Gordon Brown for his own personal ambition.

Blair has got some special spell-binding charisma and it will only be in a lonely prison cell that Turner and Levy will feel that charismatic spell broken and truly understand the viper they have been dealing with. Meanwhile Blair will lecture round America on the money circuit in a differnet type of paid accomodation.

well done the SNP; February 4, 2007 at 1:05 PM
Anonymous said...: Why didn’t No.10 get an injunction to stop the NOTW headline? Surely if it’s untrue, damaging for Bliars reputation etc he could have it stopped. Any judge would support him, especially when it may prejudice the case anyway.

Is it because the NOTW would need to support their claims with evidence in court? Remember this is a Murdoch newspaper so he could be tipped off if need be.

If they backed down cos they had no evidence then it would be a huge PR victory for Bliar, no matter how short term.

Equally the police dont wantthis stuff in the press do they.; February 4, 2007 at 1:08 PM
Anonymous said...: Guido old man and lover of sport
why don't you start a sweepstake pf dates allowing blog users on your site to choose a date when Blair leaves office ...

but be quick the "yates six" may have the job done beofre you get organised; February 4, 2007 at 1:08 PM
Anonymous said...: For once it is not depressing to remind onself that the Screws are rarely wrong.; February 4, 2007 at 1:10 PM
Anonymous said...: Blair must be even more desperate if he is still relying on that useless old bat, Ann Clwyd, to defend him. She's just made a fool of herself on the telly again, this time on The Politics Show.

Put her out to grass Tony and stick to Hazel Blears.; February 4, 2007 at 1:29 PM
Anonymous said...: Look at the news today:

Blair's cronies Levy and Turner to be arrested.

Tony and Cherie's rich Indian pal, a "race advisor" to the Government, is being investigated for running a "people trafficing racket"

The public debt run up by Brown is revealed to be twice as big as he has been claiming.

Brown's Smith Institute to be investigated by the Charity Commission for alleged breach of the rules.

Increasing numbers of Labour MP's including most of the cabinet want Blair to step down now.

Charles Clarke turns on Reid.

Gordon Brown's latest desperate attempt at populism is to raise £25million to set up a Trust for Shilpa Shetty (Celebrity Big Brother) to enable her to impart her Indian wisdom to the British public.

McTernan and Powell singing like canaries to save their own skins.

Levy states "I'm not going to be the fall guy"

Meanwhile the rate of debt defaults, bankruptcies, repossessions and business failures accelerate as the pyramid scheme of an economy created by Brown heads towards recession.

Don't you get the feeling that it's the end of an era? 10 years of sleaze, dishonesty and corruption is coming to the surface like a puss-filled boil.

New Labour's chickens are coming home to roost.

How much longer can they carry on?; February 4, 2007 at 1:31 PM
Anonymous said...: The NOTW only back winners and it's clear now that Blair's a loser. He will be out soon.; February 4, 2007 at 1:36 PM
Anonymous said...: A US sponsored Israeli attack supported by the British Government is just months, if not weeks away, after which all bets are off:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6393051,00.html; February 4, 2007 at 1:46 PM
Anonymous said...: Note that the stable-mate Sunday Times went to great lengths explaining how security conscious (to the verge of paranoia) the Yates crew is. Message to Toni's spinners - it's not the plod who's leaking.

Might be another message, too - from Murdoch to NuLab.
In the fine old tradition of the News of the Screws reporters giving the low-down on a suburban house of ill-repute - "I made my excuses and left."; February 4, 2007 at 1:46 PM
Anonymous said...: Don't forget chaps, other interviews may already have taken place which Downing Street has been instructed not to mention "for operational reasons." They may be taking place even now.; February 4, 2007 at 1:49 PM
Anonymous said...: Agree with anon 1.31 (depressing). Problem is the next lot are unlikely to be any better (even more depressing). We shouldn't be surprised that NuLab has gone the same way as all before, after all one of the very first decisions they had to make was "keep the dome or not". Vested interests and jobs for the boys won the day again, and its been down hill ever since.
Doomed, we're all doomed I tell you!; February 4, 2007 at 1:50 PM
AntiCitizenOne said...: At least anonymous 1:46 has some good news. Squashing Irans leader IAmOnAJihad would be excellent.

Unfortunatly it reported in the second most unreliable paper printed in the U.K. (the first being the independant of reality).; February 4, 2007 at 1:51 PM
Anonymous said...: I don’t want B’Liar to resign, I want him arrested.

Sadly, he is more likely to lock himself in the library with a stiff drink and revolver with one shot.

It’s a shame; his head on a spike at Traitors Gate would bring in the crowds and pay for the Olympics, maybe even enough to cancel income tax.; February 4, 2007 at 1:57 PM
Anonymous said...: I pray for Blairs heart to give out under the strain, Then Milliband could set up the Blair institute (slush fund) Cameron gets to play at being a statesman for the next 10 years before we all accept what a cunt he is and kick him and all his old etonian bum chums out in favour of the next incarnation of the labour party, allowing Milliband to play at being a great man for ten years before ........etc etc etc.

DONT ENCOURAGE ANY OF THEM.
WRITE "NONE OF THE ABOVE" ON YOUR BALLOT
THEY ARE ALL THIEVING LYING SCUM!; February 4, 2007 at 1:57 PM
Anonymous said...: Is this long running soap about everyday life in a joined-up government about to transmute into everyday life in a banged-up goverment? The only thing that could now be introduced to sustain artificially this clapped out drama is the introduction of a Deus ex Machina, or for those of you with poor or no classical language skills, ie NuLab oiks, Lord Goldsmith.; February 4, 2007 at 1:58 PM
Anonymous said...: Anon. 1.31. As I remarked earlier, don't be apocalyptic (though no-one could dispute a word of what you write)

A general election will sort all this out.; February 4, 2007 at 2:02 PM
Anonymous said...: judith said...
"I hope all of you are aware that blogging like this seriously upsets Polly Toynbee"

Let's fucking hope so! Her opinions mean nothing to ordinary people in this country, most have never even heard of her, much less know anything about her garbage Guardianista left-wing opinions.

Toynbee encapsulates everything that is wrong with this government and their brown-nosers in the media. They spend their time puking out endless rhetoric and pious bullshit,when so much is going to shit around them. They are so far up their own arses, it's not true!

Toynbee quote on last ten years:
"the best government I have ever known"

That says it all about that pointless Yackity-Anne!; February 4, 2007 at 2:02 PM
Anonymous said...: And as for Blair's relations with Berlusconi, they were mediated by Jowell's estranged husband Mills, who is currently on trial with Berlusconi in Italy.; February 4, 2007 at 2:07 PM
Anonymous said...: re post at 1.57.
The Shawshank Redemption no less.; February 4, 2007 at 2:07 PM
Anonymous said...: Jack McConnell gets himself on the wrong side of the divide yet again.; February 4, 2007 at 2:08 PM
Anonymous said...: Any cock, who says "don't vote for any of them" is just a thinly disguised NuLab astro-turfer. And that include Hitchens.

Apathy will keep this bunch of morons in power. And when they've had perhaps, 12 or 13 years of buggering this country, why the hell should people give them another term. Not voting or protest voting will keep them in power. The consituency boundries favour Labour to get a lot more seats than the Tories, with a lot fewer votes, so apathy will keep them in, as it did last time, the Labour party knows it, so does it's poxy astro-turfers.

If people want change, then they have to excercise their democratic right and vote for it. You make an intelligent decison as who is the least worst option bewtween Labour and Conservative is. If you want to give the delightful NuLab a 4th term then vote for them, if you want a change to the right, then you vote Conservative, if you think tactically voting is important in your constituency, then you may want to do that.

But not voting and protest voting is for peole who don't want change and indirectly maintain the current status quo.; February 4, 2007 at 2:20 PM
Anonymous said...: The only scenario which is looking remotely possible to save NuLabour is if Tony and the entire sleazy crew are wiped out by an Al Qaeda hit, whilst Gordon "Chuck Norris" Brown single-handedly disarms a dozen suicide bombers bearing down on Her Majesty.

Notwithstanding his cosying up to Brown at Davos, I think Rupert Murdoch may have taken a view on the likelihood of that outcome. Presumably waiting to see just what Cameron is going to offer him - with the NOTW headlines acting like some Mafia don sending him a finger tip to show they have the goods. Wouldn't you just LOVE to see The Sun of old let off the leash on NuLabour. Blair in chains with the caption "GOTCHA!! It's The Sun what done for 'im"

I'd buy it!!; February 4, 2007 at 2:29 PM
Anonymous said...: The implication of McTernan as the grass was made in yesterday's Guardian article by David Hencke and Patrick Wintour. The Guardian was also the source of the article about Whitehall briefing on the West Midlands terrorist raid to divert attention from No 10's problems.

The colour section ran an article about what happened to former PMs once they left office and speculating on what Tone will do- I wondered if the authors/editors had had the article on the stocks for a while and decided to publish now rather than risk it being overtaken by events.; February 4, 2007 at 2:29 PM
Anonymous said...: geezer -

You consider Mr Potato Head to be of the 'right'?
Well, I've got news for you. He's not.
He's the NuCon Blairite clone.

And that's the problem - there's not a fag-paper between the three main parties. If you really want something different you'll have to vote for a fringe party like UKIP and hope like hell enough other pissed-off voters do too.; February 4, 2007 at 2:30 PM
Julian said...: One even has to consider if there's a Number 10 staffer with a vial of H5N1 wandering around Norfolk with instructions to keep Tony and Cherie nefarious dealings off the front pages by maing sure poor old Bernie Matthew's turkey stock gets torched ...; February 4, 2007 at 2:32 PM
Anonymous said...: geezer
How can I as a cONSERVATIVE vote for Cameron?
Nothing will change its just Buggins turn , I dont feel that any of the political parties represent me nor want to, so they can fuck off !
And so can you.; February 4, 2007 at 2:33 PM
Anonymous said...: So you'd rather see 5 more years of Gay Gordo as PM than vote Tory would you Peter?

You thick, fat fucker!; February 4, 2007 at 2:37 PM
AntiCitizenOne said...: I'd rather see 5 years of Gay Gordo convincingly demonstrating how socialism wreaks the economy than let the conservative party take the blame led by a NuLabour clone.; February 4, 2007 at 2:42 PM
Anonymous said...: Gordo has already wrecked the economy as is becoming apparent more and more with each day that passes. Read this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml;jsessionid=TGL4WSCA0G3LRQFIQMGSFF4AVCBQWIV0?xml=/opinion/2007/02/04/do0405.xml

Do you really want to give that deranged cunt and his stalinist rabble another 5 years? What do you imagine would be left of Britain after that?

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=41710; February 4, 2007 at 2:47 PM
Anonymous said...: geezer at 2.20. You were making so much sense until "if you want a change to the right, then you vote Conservative". Much of NuLab is way more right wing than Tory stuff. No more principled "left/right" anymore. MP's, or more to the point ministers, decide policy on vested interests, pocket lining either now of for future gain,.......shuting up now before I have pass out with rage (not at you geezer, at politics in general)!; February 4, 2007 at 2:51 PM
komadori said...: Julian said
'One even has to consider if there's a Number 10 staffer with a vial of H5N1 wandering around Norfolk with instructions to keep Tony and Cherie nefarious dealings off the front pages by maing sure poor old Bernie Matthew's turkey stock gets torched ...'

With so many turkeys in No 10, I'd have thought T&C must be in total panic at the thought they might get infected themselves.; February 4, 2007 at 2:52 PM
Anonymous said...: In all seriousness, Mr. Hitchens 1.57, the concept of voting for 'none of the above' has much merit.

I have 'spoiled' many a ballot paper with this expression, sometimes accompanied by a pithy comment and yet I appear to have been ignored and consequently disenfranchised.

I wonder if a political party could be formed on this basis? If so, you have my vote to begin with.; February 4, 2007 at 3:03 PM
Anonymous said...: So McTernan's gone to Scotland, because no-one could bear to see the grass walking round the office, day in day out.

A question to any lawyers reading this:

Does the Attorney General have the right to scupper trials on perverting the course of justice as well as the honours stuff, or just the honours charges?; February 4, 2007 at 3:11 PM
Anonymous said...: Peter Hitchens said...
"geezer
How can I as a cONSERVATIVE vote for Cameron?
Nothing will change its just Buggins turn , I dont feel that any of the political parties represent me nor want to, so they can fuck off !
And so can you."

Completely confirmed my point. You are NuLab astro-turfer, and if are not, then you are clearly too stupid to vote, so just as well you don't. Nobody goes for the, sad twat holed-up in his garage with a cheap bottle of whisky and few well-thumbed copies of Razzle, vote.

But for the benefit of others who cannot comprehend exactly why a Conservative should vote for the Conservative party.
A change to stop the present bunch of Labour morons, screwing the country anymore than they already have. Because a Conservatives should actually care about what happens to the country. The Tory party has to appeal to the general electorate not just grass roots. Those who voted for Nulab in the last 3 elections, but may be willing to change their voting habits and Cameron is intelligent enough to understand that and know he needs those votes to take office.They are not stupid enough to hate someone because he went to public school. Class war is so 1970's!
How can you judge Cameron when he hasn't announced any major policy initiatives yet, and until Gordon Brown takes over, why the hell should they, so that Labour and their cohorts at the BBC can spend 3 years kicking the shit of of them, makes sense to minimise that.
Why would they do the same as Labour, when so much of what Labour has done has been so unpopular? The Conservative party and a Conservative government is not and will not be the same as Labour on many areas. Playing a careful game with the wankers at the Beeb is a necessary evil, but you cannot judge a party until they are in government.

Essentially, vaguely intelligent people are capable of making vaguely inteligent choices. Who you vote for is one of them.; February 4, 2007 at 3:12 PM
Anonymous said...: You thick, fat fucker!

Do i know you?; February 4, 2007 at 3:13 PM
Anonymous said...: sad twat holed-up in his garage with a cheap bottle of whisky and few well-thumbed copies of Razzle, vote.
I will have you know that..

1, I never purchase wank mags (why bother when you have broadband)

2. I rent my garage to a Japanses person

3 , your mother would love to guzzle my cum.; February 4, 2007 at 3:17 PM
Anonymous said...: Hitchens, I wish you'd moderate your language (just a little).; February 4, 2007 at 3:23 PM
Anonymous said...: Hitchens

My mum's fussy about who she associates with.

Your mum wasn't though!; February 4, 2007 at 3:28 PM
Anonymous said...: That pissed old fart Hitchins can always be relied on to lower the tone. Calm down grandad.; February 4, 2007 at 3:29 PM
Anonymous said...: At least the pissed old fart can be bothered to register a blog rather than hide behind an anonocunt.
Geezer you would love to suck the shit off my cock after I butt fucked your mother.
Admit it to yourself.; February 4, 2007 at 3:34 PM
Anonymous said...: BEWARE THE NEW SPIN

Blair has been thrown to the wolves by Murdocks media on Browns instructions.

This is the new diversion tactic.

Keep checking on what is NOT being reported, Brown now has the executive power at No11, he was the one seeing the Mexican president while Blair was having his pictures taken and his PMOS was being baited by the press.

NEW SPIN in action.; February 4, 2007 at 3:36 PM
Anonymous said...: They take no notice, so what do we do?

Think of what happened in a similar situation. The Miner's Strike.

Scargill did note call a vote before calling for "industrial action"

They were split between the Scargill tendency (NULAB + Cameron) and the Notts tendency (abstainers)

The strike finally ended when 50% plus one were back at work. Scargill could no longer claim any mandate.

What terrifies the Establishment is the prospect of losing the right to act (fight their wars) in the NAME OF THE PEOPLE.

We'll get real change when the abstention rate goes over fifty percent.
Until then it will be more theatre, I'm afraid.; February 4, 2007 at 3:37 PM
Anonymous said...: Sorry, should have added that the above was in support of the admirable Mr Hitchens.

John; February 4, 2007 at 3:38 PM
Anonymous said...: Julian said
'One even has to consider if there's a Number 10 staffer with a vial of H5N1 wandering around Norfolk with instructions to keep Tony and Cherie nefarious dealings off the front pages by maing sure poor old Bernie Matthew's turkey stock gets torched ...'

Why not! Thats exactly what they did with BSE. The vets contracts were signed 6 months before the event, Defra bought all the rubber gloves and disinfectant 6 months before the event, so I have every faith in this government doing this again with H5N1.; February 4, 2007 at 3:44 PM
Anonymous said...: Brown via Murdock is going to destroy Blair, hence the story of the curry king being raided, 70 illegal workers, etc.

Brown will now come in with even more draconian ways to resolve the 'problem'.; February 4, 2007 at 3:46 PM
Anonymous said...: Geezer said
How can you judge Cameron when he hasn't announced any major policy initiatives yet, and until Gordon Brown takes over, why the hell should they, so that Labour and their cohorts at the BBC can spend 3 years kicking the shit of of them, makes sense to minimise that.

Read that again. Your "big idea" is for the Tories to say nothing for three years and hope no-one notices? Genius.

Given PotatoHead's technophilia, complete absence of any policy whatsoever and need to appeal to the "traditional english voter", the next Tory manifesto should be a youtube clip of Captain Mainwaring in Dad's Army shouting "Don't Tell Him Pike!". Over and over again.

Sensible policies for a Better Britain.; February 4, 2007 at 3:51 PM
Anonymous said...: anonymous @3.44. Do you mean foot and mouth - rather than BSE?; February 4, 2007 at 3:57 PM
Anonymous said...: anon 3:8
I agree and thank you for your support.
As long as we vote for these clowns they have credibilty of sorts , by abstaining we expose them for who they are , a self selecting elite who do not give a flying fuck for the opinions of the majority.
How many old Etonians has cameron got around him??
Guido told me on friday and frankly its shocking. My objection has fuck all do with them having been to public school (I did) My objection is that they all went to the same one.
No doubt they all have something on one another and I think we can guess at least two things , sex and drugs.........
"you made me suck your cock when I was 14"
" I saw you sniff that cocaine"
The Conservative are not an opposition nor an alternative , we need to take OUR country back and that will require hard choices and hard action.

Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
George Orwell; February 4, 2007 at 4:04 PM
Anonymous said...: Rumour has it that Bird flu only attacks women over the age forty five so it's not so bad after all - is it?; February 4, 2007 at 4:06 PM
Anonymous said...: Another expensive education wasted, apparently.; February 4, 2007 at 4:13 PM
Anonymous said...: Gentlemen, please!
Have you all forgotten which country you are living in?
Have you forgotten Lord bloody Hutton? The most appalling, the most shamefully perverse judgment for one hundred years? And what happened?
The messengers got the sack and no one else was found guilty of anything.
Tony's cronies are probably not at all safe but Tony certainly is. I can dream orgasmic dreams of Tony going inside or even going to Court but unlike you lot I know only too well that this country is already half-way to hell. Alas, I am much too old to emigrate, so I just hope to be left in peace.; February 4, 2007 at 4:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Blair will not go round the back of the shed with a bottle of whisky and a pistol. He is too much of a coward.; February 4, 2007 at 4:20 PM
Anonymous said...: yes, i did mean foot and mouth. sorry.

as for Tony, well he's played his part in the revolution. He is of no further use, and is in fact a liability, so he has to go.

Beware Brown, he is the dark force...; February 4, 2007 at 4:22 PM
Anonymous said...: Well the way I see it Broon will take over he wont call an election ,to silence people he will especially to us bloggers create a security situation and try and stop us ,but the weather is starting to turn a better so I see a bit of turmoil , I hope I am totaly wrong; February 4, 2007 at 4:32 PM
Anonymous said...: Hitchens...so far, in your support, you have had one anonymong and someone named Daft Ada.I guess you've had better days eh? I actually enjoy your rantings both here and at your own excellent blog but I really can't agree with you that not voting is an option. It is this kind of apathy that has allowd this bunch of chancers,crooks and charlatans to destroy this country. Pushing the 'they're all as bad as each other' line would result in a government elected by dodgy potal votes alone. I also don't think Cameron is any great shakes but to suggest that he and his party are as bad as this shower is ludicrous.; February 4, 2007 at 4:38 PM
Anonymous said...: 'peterhitchens' is a nasty bit of work. I quote from his blog:

"Why should a pair of queers be allowed to adopt a child to make their cosy little coupling "complete" and just like any other family ,the short answer is they shouldnt , they are not like any other family homosexuality is a perversion and totaly un nautural.
Poofs are notoriously fickle creatures even when in suposedly commited relationships they are constantly on the look out for more bum and cock , what sort of environment is that for a child to grow up in? "; February 4, 2007 at 4:44 PM
Anonymous said...: p hitchens @4.04

Old Etonians around Cameron

The Times has an article here:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2394030_2,00.html

Conservatives are vulnerable as hell on this issue. Blair is himself a toff (- the first public school pm since A Douglas Hume) and thereofre inhibits any LAbour attack, but as soon as he goes Labour's whole class warfare tradition will kick in strong.; February 4, 2007 at 4:47 PM
Anonymous said...: Tony Blair (and Andrew Marr) are politically psychotic

Blair because he thinks he has a mandate.

Marr because he thinks he is politically unbiased

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=psychosis

Andrew Marr is the worse patient because his smile is more genuine.; February 4, 2007 at 4:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Well done Grahame, my sentiments exactly.; February 4, 2007 at 5:00 PM
Anonymous said...: anon 4:44
When the fuck did I claim to be some fucking saint?
I tolerate queers I don't "celebrate" them or their revolting practices and anybody who thinks a pair of faggots can provide a suitable environment for a child are not only deluded but certifiably insane, no doubt you are either a queer a socialist or a woman, maybe all three?
Any of the above would explain both your unwillingness and inability to face reality.; February 4, 2007 at 5:03 PM
Julian said...: So McTernan's gone to Scotland, because no-one could bear to see the grass walking round the office, day in day out.

It does gives new meaning to 'AstroTurfing' now doesn't it - who's the real grass, as opposed to the fake ones?; February 4, 2007 at 5:05 PM
Anonymous said...: there are 2 elements being pushed at the moment that scare the shite out of me.

1. "familial DNA" speculative trawling of the UK National DNA Database, We should not be creating the database infrastructure which could be used for a future genocide.

2. Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Bill. The government is specifically excluding the Police and Prison service from liability.

Both of these actions smack of big brother, and only add to the list of items that say we are heading for a nazi state.

every law since 9.11 has been written in favour of the government, not the people. A true sign of a dictatorship in the making.; February 4, 2007 at 5:06 PM
Anonymous said...: Peter Hitchens said...
"we need to take OUR country back"
BNP not standing in your constituency then? Idiot.

Quoting Orwell (a socialist) doesn't detract from you own deliberate stupidity and reduction to making foul insults.

Perhaps it offends Old Harrovians like Guido and you to have so many Etonians at the head of the Tory party.
But the demise of the Grammer school system (of which I am a product) is mostly to blame for this. Institutions like the Tory party, like to be run by the Oxbridge elite (Major/IDS excepted) and they used to have plenty to choose from who weren't toffs, But now, I suspect, most of the high achieving Conservatives come from the private education background.(Davis was too old). The BBC has suffered for similar reasons as well.
And given what the salt-of-the-earth (Blair excepted) Labour Party, has achieved, I'm willing to give some toffs a go, Etonian clique or not.

I would personally, be very happy to see a Thatcherite leading the Tories, making a case for low taxes etc., but the reality is, as Hague and Howard proved, they get fucked over, long before any general election by the wankers at the Beeb et al. Blame the dim-wits in the electorate who allow themselves to be brainwashed by uniform left-wing anti-Conservative propaganda from broadcasting.

Compromises have to be made and a liberal old Etonian veneer, from Cameron, I can live with if it means getting rid of this shower of shit. If he's not up to the job, they'll get shot of him because the Tories are good at not tolerating failing leaders, unlike the Labour party.

Perhaps you have inherited wealth, or something, Hitchens and you don't have to worry about the economy collapsing or your pension fund being wrecked or the NHS disintegrating, But many people, including myself do. That is why the choice at the ballot box is obvious. Not because I have great expectations of any government, but because they are, in theory at least, more likely to do the things I want compared to the alternative.

What makes it worse is that idiots who don't vote or protest vote for pointless parties like UKIP, protest the loudest about how rotten the government and the country are when they indirectly have helped keep it like that.; February 4, 2007 at 5:11 PM
Anonymous said...: I tolerate 'peterhitchens' I don't "celebrate" him or his revolting practices and anybody who thinks 'peterhitchens' can provide a suitable environment for a child are not only deluded but certifiably insane.; February 4, 2007 at 5:13 PM
Anonymous said...: ""Why should a pair of queers...etc. etc."

I'll think you'll find Hitchens was quoting the Archbishop of Westminster. His blog relies heavily on the works of others.; February 4, 2007 at 5:14 PM
Anonymous said...: @4:46 an anonymong quoted the admirable Mr Hitchens at length with the implication that simply doing so exposes PH as a 'nasty piece of work'
Point one: Does it not occur to you that quite a few people share exactly those sentiments?
Point two: Being described by you as a nasty piece of work is likely to be received by him as the most welcome compliment of the day.

Good to see you're on form PH. Your temporary absence was remarked upon. Try not to do it again; February 4, 2007 at 5:25 PM
Anonymous said...: Geezer spot on. Cameron's sole function at this stage of the political cycle is to get the Con Party elected to Government. Delay fire on policies until you can see the whites of their eyes. Meantime its Incompetence Incompetence Incompetence that must be HMO rallying cry. TINA; February 4, 2007 at 5:30 PM
Anonymous said...: Peter Hitchens' posts are utterly disgusting and should be deleted.They spoil an otherwise facinating website.; February 4, 2007 at 5:36 PM
Anonymous said...: That the Hitch is a cunt does not make him wrong. On this, or most other issues.

It is those who have just enough intelligence to confuse themselves that we should be wary of.; February 4, 2007 at 5:55 PM
Anonymous said...: I would like to point out that the much quoted George Orwell was an old Etonian. His concern for the poor was genuine though.
(Sorry for boring post).; February 4, 2007 at 5:58 PM
Anonymous said...: Geezer
If I believed that Cameron was playing a long game, keeping his powder dry, seeing how the land lies or any other metaphor I may have considered voting Conservative, as it is I know that he is just another sociopathic "born to rule" arsehole who will say/do anything for power.
you may have hopes for this country, he doesn't, he has hopes for himself.
Before you vote Conservative just remember that Cameron line
"I LIKE THIS COUNTRY THE WAY IT IS"
Well, I fucking don't and I am not alone.; February 4, 2007 at 6:00 PM
Anonymous said...: "The difference between Old Tory and Old Labour is we arent prepared to sell our souls to any old charlatan in return for power."

The difference is, anon, that those of you who ever had soulls (about 2 per cent) sold them to the devil long ago!; February 4, 2007 at 6:01 PM
Anonymous said...: "holed-up in his garage with a cheap bottle of whisky and few well-thumbed copies of Razzle, "

he's been rifling through the bins outside the tory club then?; February 4, 2007 at 6:04 PM
the crooked brief said...: If the babylon were planning to collar The Evangelist it would have been done this morning. Smells of concern at interfering in democratic process etc.
It's all in Bad Rupert's hands now, just like it's always been.
Brown's chipped. Even Bad Rupert is losing it over global warming so Flashman's in soon.
Suits me, I am amused by the rogues antics, and bored with being appalled at The Evangelist's war on the heathens.
Shame The Evangelist won't be carted off to the Hague though. That would be proper justice.; February 4, 2007 at 6:13 PM
Anonymous said...: So if Blair goes now, does Prescott get to be PM?

I suppose it would be tolerable if the Civil Service have the good sense to lay on a supply of sporty middle-aged secretary types to take his mind off running the country.; February 4, 2007 at 6:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Anon 6:15. No - Prescott would be leader of the Labour party (temporarily). It would be for the Queen to decide who to ask to form a government, almost certainly Brown; February 4, 2007 at 6:29 PM
AntiCitizenOne said...: It doesn't matter one bit who's running the country if their policies are the same as the last shower of shits.

Nu-Lab == Nu-Con.

Camerwrong is Blair v2.

Spoil your ballot. Electing the "conservative" party will ruin the country just as surely as electing Gordo will.; February 4, 2007 at 6:32 PM
Anonymous said...: Guido,

There you go again trying to put Jonny in the frame. And just like our little Downing Street helpers you are prepared to tell whoppers to prove your point.

Fellow posters, The Screws makes no mention of 'Pole the Mole' in its scoop. Instead, in addition to the usual suspects of Blair, Levy and Turner it enrolls Sir Christopher Evans (who the politically myopic might confuse with Powell on a bad hair day)into the gang of four.

McTernan may well have grassed 'em up but I wonder who tipped off the flatfoots that this goffer minion thing might sing like a canary if his biscuit ration was halved.

Guido's a plonker.

Spook Buster; February 4, 2007 at 6:41 PM
Anonymous said...: anticitizenone, why don't you come clean and just admit you're a New Labour troll. The effect of everybody taking your "advice" would be a New Labour Government in perpetuity. Perhaps that's what you want?

As for Cameron, sure he comes across as drippy and superficial, he doesn't impress me one bit but I want to see the end of the creeping-stalinist grip New Labour are exerting across all the institutions of this country.

Claiming "they're all as bad as each other" is doing NL's work for them and is designed to keep them in power. If that's what you want then just admit it and stop being a dishonest, two-faced twat.; February 4, 2007 at 6:43 PM
Anonymous said...: Why are there so many rabidly homophobic people on here?; February 4, 2007 at 6:43 PM
Anonymous said...: Jonny Powell is singing even louder than McTernan. It was Powell who grassed McTernan, along with Levy and Turner, in the first place.

Those Powells are adept at the art of survival.; February 4, 2007 at 6:47 PM
Anonymous said...: i'd imagine it's because 2 men having sex together is simply revolting and wrong.; February 4, 2007 at 6:47 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said...
Why are there so many rabidly homophobic people on here?

Feck off you bent bastard!; February 4, 2007 at 6:48 PM
Anonymous said...: We're all taking this bird flu outbreak very calmly considering this may be just the event Tone has been waiting for to invoke the CCA and declare himself Lord Protector of all he surveys and that the situation is now too dangerous for him to resign - EVER.; February 4, 2007 at 6:57 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said...
Why are there so many rabidly homophobic people on here?

6:43 PM
We have to blog somwhere and here is a good a place as anywhere.; February 4, 2007 at 7:06 PM
Anonymous said...: New labours work is new un nasty conservative work
fuck them all.
Some of you queers and public sector parasites may need a hand out or protection from "the government" I dont so they do not get my support.
fuck them and fuck you.
You will get eaten alive during the coming crash. (+:; February 4, 2007 at 7:10 PM
Anonymous said...: "The effect of everybody taking your "advice" would be a New Labour Government in perpetuity."

That's precisely what voting for cameron would give you. perhaps we need another dose of Broon before we get the British people (or at least the English outside of the cities) supporting a proper Conservative party?; February 4, 2007 at 7:13 PM
Anonymous said...: Blair looks more nervous about this inquiry, than Saddam did, just minutes before his hanging.

I seem to remember Saddam claiming at his trial that, he was the president and therefore accepted ultimate responsibility for what his underlings had done under orders.

Fat chance of Blair accepting any responsibility for any thing. I suppose that in the final analysis, Saddam was, an evil bastard but, in the personal courage stakes, he was far ahead of Blair.; February 4, 2007 at 7:21 PM
Anonymous said...: mitch said...
"No - Prescott would be leader of the Labour party (temporarily). It would be for the Queen to decide who to ask to form a government, almost certainly Brown."

Wouldn't that mean that our dear Queen would be interfering with the Labour leadership election? Far better to ask dear old John to "take charge" until the comrades had sorted themselves out. He'd be our first Welsh born PM as well.; February 4, 2007 at 7:26 PM
Anonymous said...: 7:26 PM
Wouldnt it be better just to ask Dave to take over nuLab=nuCon; February 4, 2007 at 7:35 PM
Anonymous said...: calm down children, less comment on PH views please, more on on the ST article about gordo's pfi chums financing the sith.
Important to keep the momentum going on this.; February 4, 2007 at 7:38 PM
Letterman said...: Nice to see there's news somewhere today - the BBC is piss poor.; February 4, 2007 at 7:39 PM
Anonymous said...: 6:57 PM
He might have a problem with that ,no troops theyre all out fighting ,the police they are all out because of bird flue; February 4, 2007 at 7:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Grassed up? Uncannily what a mole does.; February 4, 2007 at 7:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Peter Hitchens mentions "public sector parasites"

I have long thought that we have needed to relieve ourselves of 2 million of these people, after all we can't expect the middle classes to pay for every thing can we?

Let us have an on-line focus group and decide whose for the chop first.

1. Special advisors
2.; February 4, 2007 at 8:00 PM
AntiCitizenOne said...: >> anticitizenone, why don't you come clean and just admit you're a New Labour troll.

Perhaps because I'm not. Why don't you admit you like rimming Camerwrong?

> I want to see the end of the creeping-stalinist grip New Labour are exerting across all the institutions of this country.

So do I, but not if it's just to replace it with a different bunch of stalinists, and beleive me when I say "Camerwrongs bunch are clone of Blairs", they postively exude entitlement. Camerwrong WE OWE YOU NOTHING.

I believe we will get rid of stalinists quicker via a few years of Browns ineptness and cowardice. Economies are easy to rebuild if people get out of the way.; February 4, 2007 at 8:01 PM
AntiCitizenOne said...: koba,

Let people opt out of paying for through their tax and thus the chance of receiving
The NHS,
State Pension,
State schools &
Unemployment Benefits

and we will soon see how large the infestation of parasites is within the extortion funded sector.; February 4, 2007 at 8:04 PM
Anonymous said...: You really do have to feel sorry for these ZanuLabour cretins trolling round the blogs defending the shower of shit they elected. Like Rev. Jim Jones acolytes kneeling before the temple of Tony. They know he's a crook. They know he's mad. Yet they still crawl before him willing to take the final drink. Well it won't be long now you morons.; February 4, 2007 at 8:10 PM
Anonymous said...: "trolling round the blogs defending the shower of shit they elected2

Has Mark Oaten joined the government?; February 4, 2007 at 8:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Anti
yet again I agree with you.
the collapse of the economy is the only thing that will cause the sheep to realise what has been done to them over the last 10 years. Then we will get a nationalistic conservative government to put things right followed by a period of complacency and then yet another idealistic socialistic fuck up followed by, etc., etc.
Human beings are just fucking maggots. I sincerely hope H5N1 wipes out at least 90% of the population.; February 4, 2007 at 8:19 PM
VUK said...: If the story is true in the News of the World then it really is over, a PM can not stay in office if under caution by police not even Tony Blair. Just saw the film the Queen, I guess in many respects that was the high point for Tony Blair, how it came to this one has to roll one's eyes and quote Lady T, Its a funny old world. But one should stress, If the Story is True!!; February 4, 2007 at 8:21 PM
Anonymous said...: The story in the NOTW is most definitely true as you will see when Turner and Levy are arrested and Blair is interviewed again but under caution this time.

I know it may be hard to take in after ten years of this bastard taking the piss but this really is the endgame for Blair. He'll probably be out within 2 weeks, perhaps slightly longer but not much.

Bush isn't too worried any more, he knows he can count on Brown's support in attacking Iran.; February 4, 2007 at 8:33 PM
Anonymous said...: Peter Hitchens said...
Human beings are just fucking maggots. I sincerely hope H5N1 wipes out at least 90% of the population.

Why don't you come out of the closet Peter. You'll feel much better for it.; February 4, 2007 at 8:35 PM
Anonymous said...: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6329269.stm

'Ms Jowell said it would be a "presumption of guilt" if Mr Blair were to resign before the police inquiry was completed.'

This is pretty rich, coming from a government which more than any other since 1800 has abused the rule of law and tried to sideline the courts. Sauce for the gander, Mr Blair.; February 4, 2007 at 8:36 PM
Anonymous said...: "Human beings are just fucking maggots"

Personally I can't get the little devils to stay still for long enough.; February 4, 2007 at 8:51 PM
Anonymous said...: Anyone been to the Times website in the last hour? Looks like a redesign. If only they'd freshen up their third-rate editorial staff as well. If Shergar was in charge, pink slips for Meeeee-ry Anne Smughart, Caitlin Moron and Hugo Weaving. Actually, fuck it, if Shergar was in charge, the entire editorial staff stunned, drugged, clothed in "Allah blows newborn goats" t-shirts and dumped in the middle of some festering Islamo shit-hole, like Karachi. That means you too, Simon "twitcher" Barnes.; February 4, 2007 at 9:00 PM
Anonymous said...: Some the best of these little devils just happen to be Conservatives. (Sorry, just felt the need to go off topic for a moment, and Guido hasn't been providing many pictures lately.); February 4, 2007 at 9:06 PM
Anonymous said...: Labour is in bad need of a day to bury bad news.

I wouldn't travel on the Tube this week if I were you.; February 4, 2007 at 9:13 PM
Anonymous said...: 7.10 " You will get eaten alive during the coming crash. (+:"

For a crash in the offing the yield curve is pretty flat; a liitle bump in six months' time than quite steady, falling ever so slightly , for the next 20 years. It's not a prophesy but it is indicative.; February 4, 2007 at 9:34 PM
kinglear said...: Told you someone would turn QE; February 4, 2007 at 9:40 PM
Anonymous said...: A bit off topic, fits in with what Mr H, and others have been saying though. This one's tory but they are all at it. All of these lying, self serving, sycophantic hypocrites should be against a wall. Except it would be a waste of a wall.

M

"Tory MP James Gray is at the centre of a fresh controversy with the revelation that he is using his Commons expenses to support the cancer-stricken wife he dumped for his mistress instead of paying her out of his wages.

The Wiltshire North MP is paying his wife Sarah £2,400 a month from his Commons staff allowance even though she ceased to work as his secretary two years ago. In that time he has paid her a total of nearly £60,000 from his expenses."

The rest of the story is here...

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23384186-details/Cheating+MP+paid+ill+wife+from+expenses/article.do; February 4, 2007 at 9:59 PM
Anonymous said...: Curly said...
"Some the best of these little devils just happen to be Conservatives."

Is that the babe off GMTV?; February 4, 2007 at 10:00 PM
Anonymous said...: p2
America is about to go tits up , as a country we produce nothing we have nothing to offer the world other than over priced property.
Mark my words the sensible money is in fuel ,firearms , gold and productive land , that and recreational drugs.
All others will perish in the forthcoming financial holocaust.; February 4, 2007 at 10:00 PM
The Empty Suit said...: Mind you, the spin against the investigation continues apace: viz this little conspiracy rant in the Mirror today; February 4, 2007 at 10:02 PM
Anonymous said...: The morror is a comic devoted to any story that supports Labour or denigrates any other party, and if Labour stories aren't available....then thety will support anything New labour.

That's why it isn't even worth tearing up to wipe your fucking ringpiece; I wouldn't soil my hands or arse with it.

Piers was sacked not because he published wrong material but because he went OTT in attacking Labour.; February 4, 2007 at 10:24 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous 8.35, I've come to the same conclusion about Hitchens myself. He is obsessed with homosexuality.; February 4, 2007 at 10:35 PM
CityUnslicker said...: To commend your recent work I have a post in your honour, Senor Guido.

Here; February 4, 2007 at 10:36 PM
Anonymous said...: The yield curve has inverted both here and in the US. There's a hell of an economic crash on the way from which the UK will never fully recover.

Brown will soon be regarded as one of the most disastrous Chancellors in history.; February 4, 2007 at 10:37 PM
Anonymous said...: I feel that I must add a few words in somewhat subdued support of Mr. Hitchens.

Whilst I do not, for one moment, agree with Mr. Hitchens' particular choice of descriptive verbiage, his language is , it appears, quite normal in today's society. Nevertheless, the principled content of his postings must be respected and accepted, notwithstanding any disagreements.

He has suggested a 'none of the above' choice at elections. I agree with him. What's wrong with that? Are we to be denied a choice?

Like Mr. Hitchens, I too tolerate homosexuals but abhor their sexual practices. Nevertheless, I recognise their right to existence. This is not homophobia as this is not fear or irrationality but a completely rational dislike.

Incidentally, physiologically speaking, the anal sphincter is intended for one way traffic and continued abuse of this generally causes certain quite unpleasant conseqences in later life.

For those who have made comment about my nom-de-plume or nom-de-guerre kindly refer to the Germanic derivation. It's quite apt.; February 4, 2007 at 10:38 PM
The Constituent said...: an economic crash on the way from which the UK will never fully recover

What, never ever? You mean in 2107 our living standards will be lower than today? You mean like our living standards are lower than they were in 1907?

What a load of cobblers.; February 4, 2007 at 10:47 PM
Anonymous said...: What a crass, naive comment, constituent.

Why worry about 2107, you'll be dead, buried, and long forgotten. Besides everything's relative including living standards.

I think it's safe to say, as the Governor of the bank of England commented last year, that the good days are behind us and the years ahead are going to be difficult ones for the majority of Brits.

As living standards in the BRIC countries and elsewhere rise, so they will fall in the UK and USofA. We've spent our earnings for the next five years and now we have to find a way of paying it back.

Dark days ahead methinks.; February 4, 2007 at 11:02 PM
The Constituent said...: I would be surprised of a big nasty crash, but one which we will never recover from? Who is crass now anonymong?; February 4, 2007 at 11:05 PM
The Constituent said...: Whoops meant "would NOT be surprised by a big crash"...; February 4, 2007 at 11:06 PM
Anonymous said...: Guido, please check this out:

http://www.newcriminologist.com/news.asp?id=1170590523

"Police investigating the alleged terrorist plot to kidnap and behead a British Muslim soldier in Birmingham have accused the UK government of exploiting their operation to divert the press away from the current investigation into the 'cash for honours' scandal that has seen British Prime Minister, Tony Blair, interviewed twice by police."; February 4, 2007 at 11:33 PM
Anonymous said...: Im just praying that China and India are a huge developing market for photos of naked hairy middle aged white men (me), if not Im fucked.; February 4, 2007 at 11:36 PM
Anonymous said...: Prescott and Pauline might just make a go of it. There are precedents: Pope GiovanniXIII, Gerald Ford, Sandro Pertini.... They were all supposed to fuck up and/or die but did well.; February 4, 2007 at 11:43 PM
Anonymous said...: But Gordon has a plan.. he's not going to see his work crash and burn.. he has a plan...

http://tinyurl.com/3yc95z

living just got more expensive..; February 4, 2007 at 11:56 PM
Anonymous said...: proof that the home office was the leak source before the terror raid.

http://tinyurl.com/2kpltf; February 5, 2007 at 12:00 AM
Anonymous said...: The Constituent said...
I would be surprised of a big nasty crash, but one which we will never recover from? Who is crass now anonymong?

You are, cuntstituent, for posting gibberish you fuckwit.; February 5, 2007 at 12:09 AM
Anonymous said...: What might finally finish Blair off would be a string of bird flu cases all along the A45 and the M6 between Suffolk and Staffordshire, where the poor bloody turkeys are being driven for incineration.

"Events, dear boy, events."; February 5, 2007 at 12:12 AM
Anonymous said...: If they can cull 160,000 turkeys in one weekend why is it taking them so long to sort out the Home Office?; February 5, 2007 at 12:13 AM
Anonymous said...: posted last night by morroccanroll

and its true, cause I looked it up....
£25 quid a pop to travel in london..green taxes...

Ah, good. Now you are on my subject. I've been following road charging as a hack since 2000. I would suggest you chaps type 'supplementary tolls provision' into google and read the bill that is already before parliament.

Transport for Lefties has put this up so Ken Leninspart can toll individual roads to the edge of Greater London eg the A40, A1, A3 etc.

It would give him power to 'grab' the road from local council control and nail up his hideous camera towers anywhere he likes (including Crown land).

Even better, the bill will give TFL powers to enter your vehicle to check - and even remove - the toll-paying kit (which is a charge card mounted in the windscreen).

If you obstruct the official the maximum penalty will be up to six months in jail. It's the same for avoiding the toll and obscuring your numberplate.

The new 'tag and beacon' system will kick off in early 2009 and you can be sure Kenny is signing the contract this year so if he loses next May it will be too expensive for his sucessor to remove (whch is what he did with the current C-Charge).

You also know, of course, that the C-Charge numberplate cameras on 24 hours per day and used by the Old Bill. Ever wondered how they nicked the scumbags associated with the shooting of the female PC in Bradford? C-Charge cameras tracked the car back through London.

The councils that make up Greater Manchester have just voted for a similar system that tolls 15 arterial roads as far out as Wigan.

As the future Greater London scheme will be based on Co2 emissions, any car shoving out more than 225g/km will be charged £25 per day. The clever thing is that many of the cars coming in will be from outside London and so the drivers can't vote against been fleeced by TFL.

Still, any car shoving out less than 120gkm will be able to drive in for free from 2008.

Funnily enough, Ken spent £18,000 on a Toyota Prius last year (104gkm). He doesn't drive. But his Missus Emma Beal does. She also has two children and a high powered job at the GLA. You don't suppose Kenny boy has bought the Prius so Emms can drive to work for free do you?

Let them swipe Oyster Cards, eh Ken?

PS In 1998 the London bus network made £100,000 surplus. This year it will need a £1.1 billion subsidy.

The C-Charge, which broke even last Autumn, makes £110m per year, tops. Subsidising London's buses will, between now and 2012, cost more than the Olympics.; February 5, 2007 at 12:15 AM
Anonymous said...: He has suggested a 'none of the above' choice at elections. I agree with him. What's wrong with that? Are we to be denied a choice?

Yes...either that or shut the fuck up.

If you can't be bothered to vote, or choose not to, then you have no right to complain about htose who have been voted into power.

I want agree with you and Hitch...but in all conscience can't because simply, you're wrong.; February 5, 2007 at 12:17 AM
Anonymous said...: "The Hitch" is never wrong.
A man sticking his cock into another man is WRONG
Homosexual adoption is WRONG
Invading other peoples countries and murdering women and children is WRONG
Doing favours for steel/media magnates to pay your £5 million mortgage is WRONG
Allowing your wife to whore herself about taking money from children's cancer charities is WRONG
Hanging your friends out to dry is WRONG
Thinking that either Cameron or Brown will make a difference makes you either a naive or stupid CUNT !; February 5, 2007 at 12:45 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous 12.17.

"He has suggested a 'none of the above' choice at elections. I agree with him. What's wrong with that? Are we to be denied a choice?

Yes...either that or shut the fuck up."

So that's it then. Either accept the limited choice or have my freedom of speech removed? I always vote, and, when I feel that it is appropriate I mark my paper 'none of the above' This is MY choice on MY ballot paper.

Whatever next? Somebody peeping over my shoulder as I vote? This is the Mugabe Method which I believe has not yet been introduced in this country of OURS.

"I want agree with you and Hitch...but in all conscience can't because simply, you're wrong."

Please state which part of your conscience disallows you? Explain please, how are we wrong?

Incidentally, Mr. Hitchens' posting at 12.45 says it in a nutshell. Although I would take slight issue with the first line.

Ada.; February 5, 2007 at 1:21 AM
Anonymous said...: Addendum.

Personally I would like to see the introduction of compulsory voting with the option of 'none of the above'.

This, I believe, would produce a far more accurate indication of Public Opinion.; February 5, 2007 at 1:31 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said...

proof that the home office was the leak source before the terror raid.

http://tinyurl.com/2kpltf

12:00 AM

If that's really how the dating system works, there are more retards in the Home Office than I thought possible; February 5, 2007 at 2:29 AM
Anonymous said...: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=433830&in_page_id=1770

Blair to face round three quiz with police over cash-for-honours

Tony Blair is set to be quizzed by police for a third time over the cash for honours affair, it has emerged.

Sources close to the inquiry confirmed the interview - likely to take place within weeks - could even take place under caution.; February 5, 2007 at 7:52 AM
freesherry said...: This is the backlash against the curse of living in interesting times ie since 1997. Hope it lasts.; February 5, 2007 at 8:01 AM
Anonymous said...: Is it me or can anyone else see the similarities between this and the David Kelly case. As you will recall the BBC had every good reason to publish the truth on the WMD and Blair and co were in deep s**t. Along comes Scarlett who takes responsiblity for the dodgy dosiers..... a limited remit for "buddy" Lord Hutton and BINGO the BBC is squashed Blair is free to carry on lying and Scarlett gets the top job plus a "K".
Now we have Yates/police getting to the truth over the "K's" and "P's" and along comes someone to take the wrap. All charges will be dropped agaist Blair who will probably set up an inquiry, perhaps Lord Charlie F' will hold it this time and the Yates/Bill will be criticised severly. Then a law will be brought in to deny them the right into investigating the government again. This will only be done by a committee set up by Blair in future. Whoever takes the wrap will get a top job somewhere and perhaps a "P" this time.
Why do you think Blair is looking so smug?; February 5, 2007 at 9:59 AM
Anonymous said...: If Goldsmith decides arbitrarily to stop the investigation, or to stop any CPS action taking place, who is to stop him?

Bliar has a final get out of jail free card, and Goldsmith is out with Bliar anyways.

The only way this can be carried on to a nasty resolution for Bliar is if his successor wants it too.; February 5, 2007 at 10:23 AM
Anonymous said...: "along comes someone to take the wrap"

The cloakroom attendant?

Anon 9.59, you are talking rubbish. This time the No 10 laundromat can't get the skid-marks out of Tony's Y-fronts.; February 5, 2007 at 10:47 AM
Anonymous said...: beatrix potter 10:47 AM

sorry "rap"

I'd love to agree that I am talking rubbish and I sincerely hope you are right but I just can't help feeling that the slippery b'stard will find a way.; February 5, 2007 at 10:59 AM
Anonymous said...: And let's not forget that Parliament's own investigation is waiting quetly in the background for the completion of the police investigation ..... and provision of copies of the evidence acquired?.

Should the CPS not proceed Parliament will pick up the ball.; February 5, 2007 at 11:00 AM
Sabretache said...: Anonymouse 12:17

"retrieve the Labour party of old, with its trusty shield of fair play."

'... With its trusty shield of obsolescent class war' more like; February 5, 2007 at 11:02 AM
Anonymous said...: "Had you really been a product of a grammAr school you would surely not have problems with your spelling..!"

Isn't GrammEr the old fashioned way of spelling it?; February 5, 2007 at 12:08 PM
Anonymous said...: "the Labour party of old, with its trusty shield of fair play."

closely related to Jonathan Aitken's 'trusty shield' of truth, perhaps?; February 5, 2007 at 8:16 PM
Anonymous said...: No, I think Jonathan Aitken had a 'sword of truth' and a 'trusty shield of fair play' to 'cut out the cancer of bent and twisted journalism'.

I love every opportunity to see that film and remind myself how he got his come uppance, especially after the TV:AM shenanigans. What goes around..; February 5, 2007 at 8:44 PM
Anonymous said...: We spelt it "grammar" at the one I went to but it was only five hundred years old.; February 5, 2007 at 9:37 PM
The Military Wing Of The BBC said...: The Times is reporting, Tuesday, that Jonathan Powell is to be "interviewed" again.; February 6, 2007 at 12:40 AM
Anonymous said...: In theory Bliar is toast. In practice he obviously won't be. The fact that the Blairites are obviously happy to spill the beans on a police action that should be considered "sub judice" thus jeapardising any subsequent court action should make it clear what they plan to do. The fact that the BBC and its 3500 journalists and support staff are happy to go along with this pap should make it clear where the "establishment" loyalties lie. The fact that the Tories and the Liberals are the last to complain about what was going on should make it clear they are all as bad as each other.

Sadly Hitchen's is absolutely right. The "establishment" is nothing more than a bunch of corrupt rich bastards eager to keep all the money to themselves, which is why they want to retain all the power. They have no shame about cheating us because they hate us - we are only here to be manipulated like the naive well-meaning fools we are.

Democracy in Britain is a sham. We actually never have a real choice of who we can vote for - it's always a choice between the viable and the unelectable. People that might expose the establishment for what it is are bumped-off, publically shamed or sacked. Our kids are given an education system that makes them fit only as factory fodder and consumers of soap operas and iPods, to be governed by those that have honed their debating skills at Fettes and Eton.

Time to blow the whole lot to hell like that scene from "V for Vendetta".; February 6, 2007 at 3:29 PM

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