" A government mired in sleaze, itself under investigation by the police for corruption, quashes an investigation into corruption. An open goal for a determined opposition surely? Nothing doing." Frustrating beyond belief.
December 21, 2006 at 12:52 AM
Anonymous
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All right, it's late and I'm pissed. But if I were sober I couldn't follow this convoluted stuff about Tory funding. Who the fuck cares where they get their money. But the donors don't get peerages, do they? Come on Guido, get back to Lemsip and his magic joystick.
December 21, 2006 at 1:14 AM
Anonymous
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Good work Guido.
December 21, 2006 at 1:22 AM
Anonymous
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Well done Guido. As to the Cheeky Girls, I mean you would, wouldn't you?
December 21, 2006 at 1:34 AM
Anonymous
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Not without a clearance from the local GUM (Genito-Urinary Medicine) Clinic.
December 21, 2006 at 1:53 AM
Anonymous
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Bebopper... who cares? Well I do for starters, when it leaves the party open to such easy allegations of hypocrisy and of turning a blind eye to the rule of law in return for a few greasy Saudi pieces of silver.
December 21, 2006 at 3:56 AM
Anonymous
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Better greasy Saudi money in our pockets than being trousered by the French. Whats a £60m bung on a deal of billions. Sanctimonious bullshit. Its the way things are done out there, FIFA rules.
December 21, 2006 at 6:49 AM
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The reason the Tories were quiet on the Al Yamamah probe?
Possibly because the deal was concluded under a Tory government? And even if the Al Yamamah deal wasn't, several others were and I'd imagine any alleged corrupt practices used in one deal are likely to have been a feature of the others.
As to the party funding issue: Every time Darfur Dave opens his trap nowadays I become more convinced he's a clone of the Slimy One. Disembling, weasel words, they are all becoming part of his stock in trade.
Damn! It makes me depressed. I'm off to look at pictures of the Cheeky Girls. Maybe that'll cheer me up.
And even if the Al Yamamah deal wasn't, several others were and I'd imagine any alleged corrupt practices used in one deal are likely to have been a feature of the others.
Such corrupt practices only became illegal under ZaNu Labour.
Oh and to all the trolls out there, Guido is asking David Cameron questions..... he's not a Tory (Guido that is, I have it on good authority that Dave is actually a Tory)
December 21, 2006 at 7:25 AM
Anonymous
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Well done Guido!
These are important issues and you do well to bring them to the fore.
I feel about as comfortable at the thought of rogue foreign dictators and businessmen buying influence as I do the jackboot treading the green hills of our pleasant land.
My father fought the War which afforded the Briton the ability to define his own destiny.
Our politicians erode this privilege at their peril.
December 21, 2006 at 7:27 AM
Anonymous
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The last time Guido asked the question, only 97 people voted for it. Considering the numbers who visit this site every day, and the number who gleefully tore apart Milliblands wiki, that is a shockingly small number. So, come on, don't be hypocritical shits, show that it's not okay for the Tories to be turning tricks either.
well if we can't find out who they are we'll never know.
I personally don't give a toss if someone bunged a Saudi to keep thousands of british jobs-you wouldn't say no if it was your house on the line.it's the saudis problem not ours.
Interestingly, the Al Yamamah thing came up at the time of the Ribble Valley by-election as a potential stick to hit Nigel Evans with, (potentially bigger even than his antics on the NUS freebie flight to Cuba), but then, with the impact of the poll tax, all else became pretty irrelevant.
December 21, 2006 at 9:09 AM
Anonymous
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funny how the Tories are being funded by the same methods as Al Qaeda - by dodgy offshore money laundering....
Maybe the Columbians rather like "call me Dave", eh?
Thank you, Mr. Fawkes, for pointing out what a sleazy bunch they are. Unlike the paragons of New Labour, the Conservatives are naturally corrupt. All should be brought before a people's tribunal, given a fair trial, then lined up against a wall and shot.
Re Tory quiet on dropping BAe corruption investigation.
Galloway said that the corruption in the Al Yamama deal extended even to the former PM's (Thatchers) family. Hansard 24.1.96. Does this mean that Mark can come home now?
December 21, 2006 at 9:54 AM
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And you are constantly denying that this blog is a public service - come off it, take the glory Guido!
December 21, 2006 at 9:57 AM
Anonymous
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Look Guido, there is absolutely no way any party leader or MP or whoever is going to accept such a question on his blog and jauntily give an answer, especially after "davetheslave"'s sneery post on WebCameron. This was funny for a while but now it's getting rather boring. Keep this up and I shall be asking for a full refund and take my services elsewhere!
December 21, 2006 at 10:15 AM
Anonymous
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Surely the quiet over 'Al Yamamah' is down to the fact that in the past Mrs T and her son were involved in 'batting for Britain' on this contract, rather than anything more sinister.
The other explanation is what I would call the 'Sian Lloyd' strategy. She doesn't need to send anymore vituperation Lembit's way - he seems to be able to damage himself admirably, while Sian decamps for a peaceful sit down, and to enjoy the view from the 'Moral High Ground' - perhaps the Tories could use her as a strategist?
p.s. I hope Rik Mayall is paying you well for the 'Alan B'Stard' theatre tour advert on this post...
December 21, 2006 at 10:17 AM
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I believe James Arbuthnot MP said that he agreed there was no point in taking the case further.
December 21, 2006 at 10:33 AM
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Margaret on the guillotine: WTF? Is it sneery to point out that DC avoided the question, and that we, the great unwashed, get irritated when they do that? Compared to how pissed off I was feeling, I felt I was admirably restrained. And besides, if he refuses to answer it next time, that says a lot about his "transparency", does it not.
December 21, 2006 at 10:54 AM
Anonymous
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I've just figured out that when Dave says he's all for transparency, it's an acronym for "TRASPARENt lack of poliCY".
December 21, 2006 at 10:59 AM
Anonymous
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The BAe/Saudi deal was a corker for the government and a field day for the advance commissions lovers. Still, it was all legal, above board and the only way of doing business in Saudi. Besides which the saudi's paid for the bribes and expenses and commissions, cos it wad all priced on. So, why investigate? Usual bunch of jealous cunts who didn't profit and have got a major constipation problem. The ya re probably EUphiles and want the deal to go to Europe, i.e. France and Dassault. You cannot impose our Western values on a bunch of tent dwelling, sheep shagging, pederastic rag heads.
December 21, 2006 at 10:59 AM
Anonymous
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Quite a convoluted way to get UK taxpayer's money into BAe's pockets.
Must say this is all uncomfortable....I wish the Torys would get back to the old days of flogging enormous volumes of home made maramalade and running superior tombollas...
December 21, 2006 at 11:49 AM
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Tory donors don't get peerages? Too true, Ashcroft got his for, errrr, ummmm, well, maybe ... can I come back to you on that one?
December 21, 2006 at 12:04 PM
Anonymous
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Tory donors don't get peerages unless the current Labour Prime Minister OKs their appointment.
December 21, 2006 at 12:57 PM
Anonymous
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The first Ask Dave response video was a bit surreal, he said "I am the party leader who is for transparency" ... "You can see total transparency, there is no secret loans or anything like that, go to the Electoral Commission website and you can see the whole thing."
As with Bliar, on whom he's modelled himself, the best way to understand what Shameron means to add a few adverbs:
"I am the party leader who is NOT for transparency ... You can NOT see total transparency, there is NOT no secret loans or anything like that, go to the Electoral Commission website and you can NOT see the whole thing.
December 21, 2006 at 1:49 PM
Anonymous
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No.Blair tries to be more subtle.He answers a slightly different question and when the press don't exclaim: WHAT!? The electorate, who believe the media is unbiased and crusading,perceive the substantive question to have changed.We've all read www.guardianlies.com It will take a while for the influx of leftward leaning journalists into the BBC pre 1997 election and the Guardian and its tendrils to be exposed but it will happen.By the means of electronic monitoring the BBCs leanings will also be revealed and set straight.
December 21, 2006 at 2:35 PM
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Re silence of the lambs...a list of Tory MPs with their fingers in the BAE pie might be illuminating.
But good call on Blair. If the mendacious cunt can loftily declare national interest to stop a SFO investigation, what's to stop the grinning fuckstick doing it to anything else that catches his fancy. The corrupt fuck.
December 21, 2006 at 3:28 PM
Anonymous
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"dr crackers arms 'r us said Better greasy Saudi money in our pockets than being trousered by the French."
If BAE want to bribe the Saudis to give them a contract, that's up to them. I couldn't care less, though their shareholders might be interested in knowing the real terms of the deal. However, this isn't about that - it's about the possibility of the Tory party having been bought off. And if they have been bought off over this, what other things will they turn a blind eye to for a few readies? I know one can't expect any different from politicians but it still stinks.
December 21, 2006 at 9:05 PM
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lerxst
Yes if Tory palms have been greased with the bung, that is another matter. My point I suppose is that the French get away with murder(Rwanda) supply all and sundry (SA with Mirages and Daphne subs etc) and we are supposed to stand by and watch like sanctimonious morons.
35 comments:
" A government mired in sleaze, itself under investigation by the police for corruption, quashes an investigation into corruption. An open goal for a determined opposition surely? Nothing doing."
Frustrating beyond belief.
All right, it's late and I'm pissed. But if I were sober I couldn't follow this convoluted stuff about Tory funding. Who the fuck cares where they get their money. But the donors don't get peerages, do they?
Come on Guido, get back to Lemsip and his magic joystick.
Good work Guido.
Well done Guido. As to the Cheeky Girls, I mean you would, wouldn't you?
Not without a clearance from the local GUM (Genito-Urinary Medicine) Clinic.
Bebopper... who cares? Well I do for starters, when it leaves the party open to such easy allegations of hypocrisy and of turning a blind eye to the rule of law in return for a few greasy Saudi pieces of silver.
Better greasy Saudi money in our pockets than being trousered by the French. Whats a £60m bung on a deal of billions. Sanctimonious bullshit. Its the way things are done out there, FIFA rules.
The reason the Tories were quiet on the Al Yamamah probe?
Possibly because the deal was concluded under a Tory government? And even if the Al Yamamah deal wasn't, several others were and I'd imagine any alleged corrupt practices used in one deal are likely to have been a feature of the others.
As to the party funding issue: Every time Darfur Dave opens his trap nowadays I become more convinced he's a clone of the Slimy One. Disembling, weasel words, they are all becoming part of his stock in trade.
Damn! It makes me depressed. I'm off to look at pictures of the Cheeky Girls. Maybe that'll cheer me up.
And even if the Al Yamamah deal wasn't, several others were and I'd imagine any alleged corrupt practices used in one deal are likely to have been a feature of the others.
Such corrupt practices only became illegal under ZaNu Labour.
Oh and to all the trolls out there, Guido is asking David Cameron questions..... he's not a Tory (Guido that is, I have it on good authority that Dave is actually a Tory)
Well done Guido!
These are important issues and you do well to bring them to the fore.
I feel about as comfortable at the thought of rogue foreign dictators and businessmen buying influence as I do the jackboot treading the green hills of our pleasant land.
My father fought the War which afforded the Briton the ability to define his own destiny.
Our politicians erode this privilege at their peril.
The last time Guido asked the question, only 97 people voted for it. Considering the numbers who visit this site every day, and the number who gleefully tore apart Milliblands wiki, that is a shockingly small number. So, come on, don't be hypocritical shits, show that it's not okay for the Tories to be turning tricks either.
'But the donors don't get peerages, do they?'
well if we can't find out who they are we'll never know.
I personally don't give a toss if someone bunged a Saudi to keep thousands of british jobs-you wouldn't say no if it was your house on the line.it's the saudis problem not ours.
oh and davetheslave...nice question
I am the party leader who is for transparency",
Yes and I can see right through you
"I am the party leader who is for transparency",
Wet tissue-paper Dave!
Interestingly, the Al Yamamah thing came up at the time of the Ribble Valley by-election as a potential stick to hit Nigel Evans with, (potentially bigger even than his antics on the NUS freebie flight to Cuba), but then, with the impact of the poll tax, all else became pretty irrelevant.
funny how the Tories are being funded by the same methods as Al Qaeda - by dodgy offshore money laundering....
Maybe the Columbians rather like "call me Dave", eh?
Thank you, Mr. Fawkes, for pointing out what a sleazy bunch they are. Unlike the paragons of New Labour, the Conservatives are naturally corrupt. All should be brought before a people's tribunal, given a fair trial, then lined up against a wall and shot.
I see that some people had already covered this story
Graham Lloyd
Re Tory quiet on dropping BAe corruption investigation.
Galloway said that the corruption in the Al Yamama deal extended even to the former PM's (Thatchers) family. Hansard 24.1.96. Does this mean that Mark can come home now?
And you are constantly denying that this blog is a public service - come off it, take the glory Guido!
Look Guido, there is absolutely no way any party leader or MP or whoever is going to accept such a question on his blog and jauntily give an answer, especially after "davetheslave"'s sneery post on WebCameron. This was funny for a while but now it's getting rather boring. Keep this up and I shall be asking for a full refund and take my services elsewhere!
Surely the quiet over 'Al Yamamah' is down to the fact that in the past Mrs T and her son were involved in 'batting for Britain' on this contract, rather than anything more sinister.
The other explanation is what I would call the 'Sian Lloyd' strategy. She doesn't need to send anymore vituperation Lembit's way - he seems to be able to damage himself admirably, while Sian decamps for a peaceful sit down, and to enjoy the view from the 'Moral High Ground' - perhaps the Tories could use her as a strategist?
p.s. I hope Rik Mayall is paying you well for the 'Alan B'Stard' theatre tour advert on this post...
I believe James Arbuthnot MP said that he agreed there was no point in taking the case further.
Margaret on the guillotine:
WTF? Is it sneery to point out that DC avoided the question, and that we, the great unwashed, get irritated when they do that? Compared to how pissed off I was feeling, I felt I was admirably restrained. And besides, if he refuses to answer it next time, that says a lot about his "transparency", does it not.
I've just figured out that when Dave says he's all for transparency, it's an acronym for "TRASPARENt lack of poliCY".
The BAe/Saudi deal was a corker for the government and a field day for the advance commissions lovers.
Still, it was all legal, above board and the only way of doing business in Saudi. Besides which the saudi's paid for the bribes and expenses and commissions, cos it wad all priced on.
So, why investigate? Usual bunch of jealous cunts who didn't profit and have got a major constipation problem.
The ya re probably EUphiles and want the deal to go to Europe, i.e. France and Dassault.
You cannot impose our Western values on a bunch of tent dwelling, sheep shagging, pederastic rag heads.
Quite a convoluted way to get UK taxpayer's money into BAe's pockets.
1) Invade Iraq (we pay)
2) Saudis profit from increased oil prices (we pay more)
3) Saudis recycle oil gains into Eurofighter deal (BAe profits)
Why don't you just give BAe the cash directly, Tony? Probably work out cheaper.
Must say this is all uncomfortable....I wish the Torys would get back to the old days of flogging enormous volumes of home made maramalade and running superior tombollas...
Tory donors don't get peerages? Too true, Ashcroft got his for, errrr, ummmm, well, maybe ... can I come back to you on that one?
Tory donors don't get peerages unless the current Labour Prime Minister OKs their appointment.
The first Ask Dave response video was a bit surreal, he said "I am the party leader who is for transparency" ... "You can see total transparency, there is no secret loans or anything like that, go to the Electoral Commission website and you can see the whole thing."
As with Bliar, on whom he's modelled himself, the best way to understand what Shameron means to add a few adverbs:
"I am the party leader who is NOT for transparency ... You can NOT see total transparency, there is NOT no secret loans or anything like that, go to the Electoral Commission website and you can NOT see the whole thing.
No.Blair tries to be more subtle.He answers a slightly different question and when the press don't exclaim: WHAT!? The electorate, who believe the media is unbiased and crusading,perceive the substantive question to have changed.We've all read www.guardianlies.com
It will take a while for the influx of leftward leaning journalists into the BBC pre 1997 election and the Guardian and its tendrils to be exposed but it will happen.By the means of electronic monitoring the BBCs leanings will also be revealed and set straight.
Re silence of the lambs...a list of Tory MPs with their fingers in the BAE pie might be illuminating.
But good call on Blair. If the mendacious cunt can loftily declare national interest to stop a SFO investigation, what's to stop the grinning fuckstick doing it to anything else that catches his fancy. The corrupt fuck.
"dr crackers arms 'r us said Better greasy Saudi money in our pockets than being trousered by the French."
If BAE want to bribe the Saudis to give them a contract, that's up to them. I couldn't care less, though their shareholders might be interested in knowing the real terms of the deal. However, this isn't about that - it's about the possibility of the Tory party having been bought off. And if they have been bought off over this, what other things will they turn a blind eye to for a few readies? I know one can't expect any different from politicians but it still stinks.
lerxst
Yes if Tory palms have been greased with the bung, that is another matter. My point I suppose is that the French get away with murder(Rwanda) supply all and sundry (SA with Mirages and Daphne subs etc) and we are supposed to stand by and watch like sanctimonious morons.