One page of writing in just three sentences. Impressive.
I notice that Downing Street denied that there was a 'second computer system'. This follows the usual NL practice of denying allegations that have not been made. The accusation was that there was a 'second email system', which is quite different.
That would allow No. 10 to proclaim that there is no second email system, but does the database contain records of "K"s and "P"s?
I thought Downing Street did not comment on ongoing investigations...
January 26, 2007 at 9:05 AM
Anonymous
said...
The Labour Party's email system is Lotus Notes. It is integrated with the once famous Excalibur rapid rebuttal system. It also contains a quotes database etc.
January 26, 2007 at 9:07 AM
Anonymous
said...
How many drafts of the Dodgy Dossier are in there ("deleted" or not). Wonder if anyone in Yates' department might accidentally have a look? After all, any document might contain information relevant to the enquiry...
January 26, 2007 at 9:08 AM
Anonymous
said...
And behind Lotus Notes stands IBM and no doubt the Microsoft Mafia of Wintel Notoriety... it is time for 10 Downing Street to get the Forest Gate treatment
January 26, 2007 at 9:13 AM
Anonymous
said...
The Telegraph this morning says this new system was revealed inadvertantly during an interview, rather than by a whistleblower.
It's quite easy to set up and maintain a Lotus database. They're not the best database by far but they have the big advantage that they can be shared and accessed very easily. If you have permission of course.
January 26, 2007 at 9:15 AM
Anonymous
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I agree with Anonymous at the top a very deceitful denial (as usual), so we can assume that there is a 2nd email system. If we accept the well informed writings about it being Notes..I use Notes every day it's groupware and email. You use it to share and track documents in teams and projects as well as email. It would make a very interesting read to trawl through this notes database., as I'm sure Insp. Yates is right now. Hopefully he has had it replicated into the Met. Notes is equipped with very powerful search mechanisms to help him. Fyi my bank thinks Notes insecure (the scure version is not allowed for export from the US) and doesn't use it for M&A or other market sensitive stuff. Yates should have no problem copying it. As I said on the previous posts, if any of the accusations leaked are true, Blair is gone before teatime tonight.
January 26, 2007 at 9:22 AM
Anonymous
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Nice to see some technical understanding for a change. Guido's source has probably got this one right. Of course it does not lessen the seriousness of the investigation and the direction it is taking.
Powell should be interviewed as a matter of some urgency now. It's clear that Blair is directly implicated. He can hardly say that he was 'unaware' of all this activity by his most trusted aides.
Blair's only defence is to somehow find a way of demonstrating that these actions were entirely legitimate. Goldsmith and Falconer are no doubt currently beavering away at that one, but there was an indication as to some thinking in Blair's earlier comment about the peerages being for 'service to the party'.
Downing Street denies that they have a second-tier system? Yet their own staff (following on a Google track from a hint given by someone in the previous post) clearly admit to this system, even going to the extent of providing a reference for Whale Systems (a Microsoft company) for the security provided ... which incidentally is probably more bombproof than the government's own. Perhaps when Labour start denying this sort of thing they might just want to check up online first?
January 26, 2007 at 9:36 AM
Anonymous
said...
This is a red herring. An attempt by Brown and his cronies to get Blair out of No.10 before Brown's chances of taking over are blown out of the water by the economy tanking later this year.
Today's Telegraph gets it almost right:
"....What the Chancellor has done to our economy is mirrored by the behaviour of many Britons who have been encouraged to live well beyond their means. Debt — mountains of it — has underpinned Mr Brown's growth story. Any fool can over-borrow and live, briefly, a fantasy existence. Indeed, in today's consume-now, pay-later culture, many fools do. That includes Mr Brown. Debt is the new junk food. We know that an overdose is bad for us, but we're lovin' it......"
"In terms of reputation, Mr Brown will soon join the growing list of bankrupts — Mr Blair, the empty suit, will see to that. The Prime Minister has, in effect, what the City calls "a put option" on his Chancellor. He knows that, the longer he hangs on, the worse the British economy becomes. Mr Blair will hand over the keys at the point of maximum pain for Mr Brown. Professor David Smith of Derby University, a former City economist, says that Mr Brown will face "the worst structural fiscal deficit of any incoming prime minister since 1979 or possibly 1974, but has only himself to blame".....
"What we first noticed about the Whale e-Gap appliance was the security. We were told the history of the appliance, and how it was designed to meet Israeli military-grade security needs, and all thought: 'we definitely need this!'" - Steve Turnbull, Network Manager, Labour Party
now we can see why they definitely did.
January 26, 2007 at 9:39 AM
Anonymous
said...
it got to be April the 1st , where's the camera's ,as is says on the label, Guido treason and plot which uni is running this blog along with the bbc
January 26, 2007 at 9:39 AM
Anonymous
said...
Might get a clue later today.... it's Friday and I get the impression that Friday is Yates' favourite day for inviting folk to drop in for a chat.
January 26, 2007 at 9:43 AM
Anonymous
said...
Anonymong 9.39, what are you blithering on about you illiterate cretin?
January 26, 2007 at 9:44 AM
Anonymous
said...
Don't "they" have to cough up passwords, usernames etc, under one of the myriad pieces of legislation "they" passed? Hoisted by their own petard!
I think the ITN/C4 news item on "no charges for cash for peerages" was a standard misdirection straight out of the Josef Goebbels Propaganda Manual (reissued by A Campbell). Pedants will point out that this does not preclude other charges, and cynics will conclude this is an attempt to paint a silver lining on a cloud.
January 26, 2007 at 9:44 AM
Anonymous
said...
Second e-mail system? Restricted e-mail platform? Does it matter which one Ruth Kelly etall were trying to hide?
January 26, 2007 at 9:47 AM
Anonymous
said...
One further point - if certain parties are unco-operative, it is probable that the encryption can be overcome but I suspect it would take some time (the 90 days detention excuse). Easier to charge "them" and sift through the diarrohea for the passwords etc! Will Broon be keen on another 3 months of cash-for-honours-coverup investigation?
January 26, 2007 at 9:48 AM
Anonymous
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From Whale's site, thanks Julian 9:36 - "Any new solution, however, had to safeguard the often highly .... Strict provisions for wiping all traces of email attachments, files and user credentials from the end-point,... would be critical."
Wiping all traces? Not as I understand Notes to work...
January 26, 2007 at 9:50 AM
Anonymous
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And a last point! These would appear to be Labour Party systems and not secure government IT systems (of which I have a little knowledge). Technically, the denial is correct - there is no second government system (email, database or other). Not that "they" can take much comfort from that!
January 26, 2007 at 9:51 AM
Anonymous
said...
Has this made an impact at the BBC?
Hmmm.... let's see:
Not on the news front page (interesting stuff though for shopping vouchers for addicts), nothing on the UK page...
Ah, on the "Politics" page it makes it to "other top stories" in tiny writing.
Gordo being voted among the 100 sexiest men* manages to get highlighted and have a photo of Gorgeous Gordy too.
Good to see that the institutionally biased Beeboids aren't trying to play down the story at all.
*Who the feck voted for Gordo, and what drugs are they on?
This seems to cover non-email databases and Labour party-only computer systems. Don't know, but I suspect he's twisting the truth somehow.
January 26, 2007 at 9:59 AM
Anonymous
said...
Is another Home Secretary about to get the boot?
There's growing disquiet at the HIGHEST levels of the Government, particularly with more damaging revelations in the pipeline.
Reid out within 2 weeks?
January 26, 2007 at 10:06 AM
Anonymous
said...
There are fairly secure releases of Lotus Notes. Enron - a pretty paranoid co with astronomical volumes of traffic and plenty to hide - used LN for that reason.
January 26, 2007 at 10:10 AM
Anonymous
said...
"There is no second computer system at No 10."
That's a mass of ambiguity. We're dealing with a party swarming with lawyers led by a lawyer who's married to a lawyer. Thank heaven Diamond Dave Cameron was in PR.
January 26, 2007 at 10:10 AM
Anonymous
said...
"There is no second computer system at No 10."
It doesn't matter whether it's at No 10. It matters whether there is a second computer system used by No 10. It's probably physically located somewhere else.
January 26, 2007 at 10:25 AM
Anonymous
said...
The Blairites are out in force on this thread attempting to distract.
January 26, 2007 at 10:31 AM
Anonymous
said...
I hate the BBC.
"We're not biased, we're not biased!!"
Fuck off "aren't you biased".
Ignorant leftie mother-fucking cunts.
Wankers the lot of them.
January 26, 2007 at 10:36 AM
Anonymous
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I always thought it was good IT security practise not to publicly endorse the products your company and organisation are using...
The Whale link says "The Labour Party is headquartered in London and Newcastle"
Newcastle?! Not when Brown gets in it won't be for long.
January 26, 2007 at 10:44 AM
Anonymous
said...
All you paranoid people worrying about Lotus Notes etc is so silly.
I can quite understand why our people in the BBC are being sensible about this non-story.
We are quite entitled to keep our fundraising work confidential - you would be the first to complain if we had to give the unions the the closed shops etc that they want in exchange for bailing us out. Wasn't the cricket result awful - now that is serious, may we discuss that now please?
January 26, 2007 at 10:52 AM
Anonymous
said...
Fuck all this techno-crap. Just haul Powell in, threaten him with a No1 haircut, a prison uniform and a AIDS riddled crack addict for a cell mate and he'll spill the beans. Whatever happened to good old fashioned policing?
January 26, 2007 at 11:07 AM
Anonymous
said...
Just listening to the Prison Crisis on Radio 5
The answe is obvious
Romania and Bulgaria have just joined the E.C. I am sure the can incarcerate cheaper than in the U.K. , and they cannot walk out of their jails
Sub contract the work, Reidy, use your fecking head
January 26, 2007 at 11:12 AM
Anonymous
said...
what's with all the leftie bias of the Beeb bollocks ... NewLab is hardly left by any stretch of the imagination ... the Beeb is basically there to support the 'powers that be' and that's not always the one's in power at the time ... shifting sands and all that ... the Beeb is Establishment through and through, creating just enough disturbance to pretend it isn't.
January 26, 2007 at 11:12 AM
Anonymous
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The beeb is a partisan of mainstream politics. ie the 'social' neo-liberalism Tony, "Dave" and Ming the Merciless.
If you really think the bbc is left wing, why not ask some leftwingers what they think?
January 26, 2007 at 11:53 AM
Anonymous
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Guido, slightly off comment, a little digging is required here, but think there maybe more to follow.
The chief secretary to the Treasury, Stephen Timms, said the government was ahead of its target to save £21.5bn and cut 84,000 civil service jobs in the four years to 2008, as recommended two years ago in a review by Sir Peter Gershon. See http://society.guardian.co.uk/careers/story/0,,1956075,00.html
http://www.cipfa.org.uk/publicfinance/features_details.cfm?news_id=29798 is an article that says the treasury will not disclose any of the details – full stop. Secret squirrel stuff. An FOI request was turned down on ‘public interest’ grounds.
Who has been doing most of this work? Kable Ltd.
The amount of work that Kable has done for hmg has been enormous, as can be seen on their web site at http://www.kablenet.com/kd.nsf/pages/servicesToGovt#?expandtab=lyrKB7
and is running expo’s on behalf of government, selling the idea of See, touch and feel the future of technology-enabled public services, and The official government procurement exhibition and conference in june07. http://www.kablenet.com/events#?expandtab=lyrKB1
yet when a quick check at companies house is done it tells a different story.
the last accounts filed were in 31/07/2006 (SMALL)
I understand that small according to companies house = less than 100k
I cannot understand how a company this close to hmg only earns 100k, who pays for the researchers, the staff, directors etc….
Don’t know if there is any Sith involvement, but my gut feeling is….possibly 2 lines to follow here.
January 26, 2007 at 12:08 PM
Anonymous
said...
i'm sure its just a total coincidence that in the week when the Sith were given greater prominence and exposure, we also saw much bigger news stories such as this email system and further Home Office chaos erupt.
January 26, 2007 at 12:15 PM
Anonymous
said...
Hmm..not sure we can trust the 'Whale' statement - it refers to the Labour party as a 'democratic socialist party'...
'a':"If you really think the bbc is left wing, why not ask some leftwingers what they think?"
Yeah right. I'm sure sundry Marxist-Leninists, Trotskyites and Stalinists would think that the BBC isn't left wing - but the point is that it is considerably to the left of regular British society, paid for with a regressive tax on everyone who wants to watch any television, not just the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation.
Check out Biased BBC for lots of examples of the BBC pushing a left of centre Guardianista view point...
January 26, 2007 at 12:39 PM
Anonymous
said...
McTernan, Powell, Turner et al certainly each have more than one email address...
January 26, 2007 at 1:59 PM
Anonymous
said...
Now why did I suddenly get a flash back to " I did not have sex with that woman"??????
January 26, 2007 at 2:17 PM
Anonymous
said...
Head of the Youth Justice Board's just resigned. Reid out within 2 weeks?
And to think this clown thought he could be the next Prime Minister.
LMFAO
January 26, 2007 at 2:33 PM
Anonymous
said...
Lotus Notes has also been used by some newspaper organisations. It isn't bad at storing large amounts of stories which can be recalled with keywords. But you do need it linked to a good server and as it's an old programme can go tits up when run alongside other programmes on networked computers...
January 26, 2007 at 4:09 PM
Anonymous
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Yes , but the Notes server does not have to be at Downing Street. Labour party officials can access it via the the Whale Secure RAS to where ever it is located, via the government network at Downing Street,(and whatever routers/firewalls etc the security services have put in place). They may even access it via dialup
January 26, 2007 at 4:17 PM
Anonymous
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One of the things that kept Woodward and Bernstein hot on Richard Nixon's tail was their careful scrutiny and word by word analysis of the "non-denial denials" coming out of the White House.
Keep it up Guido!
January 26, 2007 at 4:21 PM
Anonymous
said...
fuck off beeb-bashers. i work there and i read the telegraph and vote tory. so there.
January 26, 2007 at 4:35 PM
Anonymous
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Why is Microsoft being linked to Lotus Notes?!?!? Microsoft has been trying to destroy Lotus Notes for ages - LN has been a leading Groupware for years and its profile has only risen since being taken over by IBM.
January 26, 2007 at 4:52 PM
Anonymous
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anonymous 4:35
We know who you are.. There can only be one telegraph reading, tory voting and computer literate BBC employee ....
January 26, 2007 at 4:52 PM
Anonymous
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Anonymous said... "fuck off beeb-bashers. i work there and i read the telegraph and vote tory. so there."
4:35 PM
Has your career hit a dead-end yet? Have you got above post-room?
Do you wrap your Telegraph in a copy of the Guardian? Bit tricky since The Guardian went smaller.
January 26, 2007 at 4:53 PM
Anonymous
said...
Is there some connection here to the latest NewLab 'guidance' to judges; however, of the "gang of four", surely Bliar is too dangerous not to lock up - he's probably the most lethal serial killer not to have won a Nobel Peace prize.
January 26, 2007 at 5:25 PM
Anonymous
said...
Just read the blurb on the Whale site, and their system is not an email system.
It basically gives the nu-labs a user id & password to connect to their email. It means they can use a public pc to check emails without leaving a copy of the email on it.
However, the actual email system IS Lotus Notes kept on a server located elsewhere, so any dodgy emails would still be stored in the database/backups. The Whale system cannot change the Lotus Notes email database, it just stops people from hacking into it.
Any "wiping all traces of email attachments, files and user credentials" only happens on the pc, not the database. Wonder if the nu-labs know this?
January 26, 2007 at 5:44 PM
Anonymous
said...
"The database access is for staff in the No. 10 office of the Labour party, Powell and his staff and also key minsters' SpAds,..."
The Chancellor of the Exchequer would be a key minister, with SpAds.
Who are Gordon's SpAds over the last 10 years?
January 26, 2007 at 6:12 PM
Anonymous
said...
Isn't hypoSpades undescended testicles?
In which case we should ask which Minister only has Balls come down for the weekend!
January 26, 2007 at 8:14 PM
Anonymous
said...
anonymous [4.35 p.m.] I notice you don't use capital letters, even for the first person personal pronoun. This proves you are really a Trotskyist, trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
Stone me. This page is linked (in 5th place of course) from 'best of the web' on CiF!!!
WTF...
btw. Whether or not I agree with your politics Guido, I entirely agree with your disdainful handling of the trash that govern the UK. If our paths ever cross, the drinks are on me. Good on you...
January 26, 2007 at 11:10 PM
Anonymous
said...
Check out Biased BBC for lots of examples of the BBC pushing a left of centre Guardianista view point... 12:39 PM
Only problem is that BiasedBBC is a crock of right wing shit, they view things from a blinkered desparation to prove that the Beeb is Left leaning ... probably set up by the Beeb to distract people from what they're really up to ... supporting establishment ... this is a bit like trying to explain things to a Sun reader ... the Beeb is neither right nor left, those are just labels to confine your understanding of what is going on, the media and that includes the Beeb, Guardian, Telegraph et al all dance to the same tune, keeping the public ignorant of reality ... thank God we have Guido and others starting to expose their duplicity, by raising stories that they would choose to ignore.
http://www.hpcwire.com/hpc-bin/artread.pl?direction=Current&articlenumber=19184 Founder and CEO of Whale Communications start up in Israel in 2001 descrivbed the system .."Elad Baron.
"We created an air-gap between the two networks. The back office and Internet are completely disconnected at all times," he said. "There is a safe zone. If the data is OK, then it's passed on to the back office to execute the transaction." The system consists of two servers, or computer systems. One is connected to the Internet and the other to the back office. A black box in the middle contains a memory device toggling between them.
Interestingly Whale boast of their success in installing their http://www.whalecommunications.com/site/whale/corporate/whale/pi=489/doc_id=33940.html e-Gap Remote Access with the Labour Party that in April 2005 they increased their 100-user license to allow the maximum 250 users to connect remotely to the network, also deploying 250 RSA SecurID key fobs. A one month trial had been held with 30m users at the end of 2004.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/may06/05-18WhaleCommunicationsPR.mspx When Microsoft announced their acquisition of Wale on May 18th 2006 they didn't mention the Israeli origin but said The company is headquartered in Fort Lee, N.J., and has international offices in Germany, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands and Israel, and representation in France. They are currently adverstising for oftware development engineers in Rosh Ha’ayin,Israel.
59 comments:
One page of writing in just three sentences. Impressive.
I notice that Downing Street denied that there was a 'second computer system'. This follows the usual NL practice of denying allegations that have not been made. The accusation was that there was a 'second email system', which is quite different.
So, it doesn't 'ring true' at all.
That would allow No. 10 to proclaim that there is no second email system, but does the database contain records of "K"s and "P"s?
I thought Downing Street did not comment on ongoing investigations...
The Labour Party's email system is Lotus Notes. It is integrated with the once famous Excalibur rapid rebuttal system. It also contains a quotes database etc.
How many drafts of the Dodgy Dossier are in there ("deleted" or not). Wonder if anyone in Yates' department might accidentally have a look? After all, any document might contain information relevant to the enquiry...
And behind Lotus Notes stands IBM and no doubt the Microsoft Mafia of Wintel Notoriety... it is time for 10 Downing Street to get the Forest Gate treatment
The Telegraph this morning says this new system was revealed inadvertantly during an interview, rather than by a whistleblower.
It's quite easy to set up and maintain a Lotus database. They're not the best database by far but they have the big advantage that they can be shared and accessed very easily. If you have permission of course.
I agree with Anonymous at the top a very deceitful denial (as usual), so we can assume that there is a 2nd email system.
If we accept the well informed writings about it being Notes..I use Notes every day it's groupware and email. You use it to share and track documents in teams and projects as well as email.
It would make a very interesting read to trawl through this notes database., as I'm sure Insp. Yates is right now. Hopefully he has had it replicated into the Met. Notes is equipped with very powerful search mechanisms to help him.
Fyi my bank thinks Notes insecure (the scure version is not allowed for export from the US) and doesn't use it for M&A or other market sensitive stuff. Yates should have no problem copying it.
As I said on the previous posts, if any of the accusations leaked are true, Blair is gone before teatime tonight.
Nice to see some technical understanding for a change. Guido's source has probably got this one right. Of course it does not lessen the seriousness of the investigation and the direction it is taking.
Powell should be interviewed as a matter of some urgency now. It's clear that Blair is directly implicated. He can hardly say that he was 'unaware' of all this activity by his most trusted aides.
Blair's only defence is to somehow find a way of demonstrating that these actions were entirely legitimate. Goldsmith and Falconer are no doubt currently beavering away at that one, but there was an indication as to some thinking in Blair's earlier comment about the peerages being for 'service to the party'.
Downing Street denies that they have a second-tier system? Yet their own staff (following on a Google track from a hint given by someone in the previous post) clearly admit to this system, even going to the extent of providing a reference for Whale Systems (a Microsoft company) for the security provided ... which incidentally is probably more bombproof than the government's own. Perhaps when Labour start denying this sort of thing they might just want to check up online first?
This is a red herring. An attempt by Brown and his cronies to get Blair out of No.10 before Brown's chances of taking over are blown out of the water by the economy tanking later this year.
Today's Telegraph gets it almost right:
"....What the Chancellor has done to our economy is mirrored by the behaviour of many Britons who have been encouraged to live well beyond their means. Debt — mountains of it — has underpinned Mr Brown's growth story. Any fool can over-borrow and live, briefly, a fantasy existence. Indeed, in today's consume-now, pay-later culture, many fools do. That includes Mr Brown. Debt is the new junk food. We know that an overdose is bad for us, but we're lovin' it......"
"In terms of reputation, Mr Brown will soon join the growing list of bankrupts — Mr Blair, the empty suit, will see to that. The Prime Minister has, in effect, what the City calls "a put option" on his Chancellor. He knows that, the longer he hangs on, the worse the British economy becomes. Mr Blair will hand over the keys at the point of maximum pain for Mr Brown. Professor David Smith of Derby University, a former City economist, says that Mr Brown will face "the worst structural fiscal deficit of any incoming prime minister since 1979 or possibly 1974, but has only himself to blame".....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/01/26/do2601.xml
julian, from the Whale web site:
"What we first noticed about the Whale e-Gap appliance was the security. We were told the history of the appliance, and how it was designed to meet Israeli military-grade security needs, and all thought: 'we definitely need this!'"
- Steve Turnbull, Network Manager, Labour Party
now we can see why they definitely did.
it got to be April the 1st , where's the camera's ,as is says on the label, Guido treason and plot
which uni is running this blog along with the bbc
Might get a clue later today.... it's Friday and I get the impression that Friday is Yates' favourite day for inviting folk to drop in for a chat.
Anonymong 9.39, what are you blithering on about you illiterate cretin?
Don't "they" have to cough up passwords, usernames etc, under one of the myriad pieces of legislation "they" passed? Hoisted by their own petard!
I think the ITN/C4 news item on "no charges for cash for peerages" was a standard misdirection straight out of the Josef Goebbels Propaganda Manual (reissued by A Campbell). Pedants will point out that this does not preclude other charges, and cynics will conclude this is an attempt to paint a silver lining on a cloud.
Second e-mail system? Restricted e-mail platform? Does it matter which one Ruth Kelly etall were trying to hide?
One further point - if certain parties are unco-operative, it is probable that the encryption can be overcome but I suspect it would take some time (the 90 days detention excuse). Easier to charge "them" and sift through the diarrohea for the passwords etc! Will Broon be keen on another 3 months of cash-for-honours-coverup investigation?
From Whale's site, thanks Julian 9:36 - "Any new solution, however, had to safeguard the often highly .... Strict provisions for wiping all traces of email attachments, files and user credentials from the end-point,... would be critical."
Wiping all traces? Not as I understand Notes to work...
And a last point! These would appear to be Labour Party systems and not secure government IT systems (of which I have a little knowledge). Technically, the denial is correct - there is no second government system (email, database or other). Not that "they" can take much comfort from that!
Has this made an impact at the BBC?
Hmmm.... let's see:
Not on the news front page (interesting stuff though for shopping vouchers for addicts), nothing on the UK page...
Ah, on the "Politics" page it makes it to "other top stories" in tiny writing.
Gordo being voted among the 100 sexiest men* manages to get highlighted and have a photo of Gorgeous Gordy too.
Good to see that the institutionally biased Beeboids aren't trying to play down the story at all.
*Who the feck voted for Gordo, and what drugs are they on?
Thanks Julian, good spot, added to main story.
The number 10 spokesman said:
"There is no second computer system at No10. "
This seems to cover non-email databases and Labour party-only computer systems. Don't know, but I suspect he's twisting the truth somehow.
Is another Home Secretary about to get the boot?
There's growing disquiet at the HIGHEST levels of the Government, particularly with more damaging revelations in the pipeline.
Reid out within 2 weeks?
There are fairly secure releases of Lotus Notes. Enron - a pretty paranoid co with astronomical volumes of traffic and plenty to hide - used LN for that reason.
"There is no second computer system at No 10."
That's a mass of ambiguity. We're dealing with a party swarming with lawyers led by a lawyer who's married to a lawyer. Thank heaven Diamond Dave Cameron was in PR.
"There is no second computer system at No 10."
It doesn't matter whether it's at No 10. It matters whether there is a second computer system used by No 10. It's probably physically located somewhere else.
The Blairites are out in force on this thread attempting to distract.
I hate the BBC.
"We're not biased, we're not biased!!"
Fuck off "aren't you biased".
Ignorant leftie mother-fucking cunts.
Wankers the lot of them.
I always thought it was good IT security practise not to publicly endorse the products your company and organisation are using...
Blair "gone by teatime". Hoping against hope ...
The Whale link says "The Labour Party is headquartered in London and Newcastle"
Newcastle?! Not when Brown gets in it won't be for long.
All you paranoid people worrying about Lotus Notes etc is so silly.
I can quite understand why our people in the BBC are being sensible about this non-story.
We are quite entitled to keep our fundraising work confidential - you would be the first to complain if we had to give the unions the the closed shops etc that they want in exchange for bailing us out. Wasn't the cricket result awful - now that is serious, may we discuss that now please?
Fuck all this techno-crap. Just haul Powell in, threaten him with a No1 haircut, a prison uniform and a AIDS riddled crack addict for a cell mate and he'll spill the beans. Whatever happened to good old fashioned policing?
Just listening to the Prison Crisis on Radio 5
The answe is obvious
Romania and Bulgaria have just joined the E.C.
I am sure the can incarcerate cheaper than in the U.K. , and they cannot walk out of their jails
Sub contract the work, Reidy, use your fecking head
what's with all the leftie bias of the Beeb bollocks ... NewLab is hardly left by any stretch of the imagination ... the Beeb is basically there to support the 'powers that be' and that's not always the one's in power at the time ... shifting sands and all that ... the Beeb is Establishment through and through, creating just enough disturbance to pretend it isn't.
The beeb is a partisan of mainstream politics. ie the 'social' neo-liberalism Tony, "Dave" and Ming the Merciless.
If you really think the bbc is left wing, why not ask some leftwingers what they think?
Guido, slightly off comment, a little digging is required here, but think there maybe more to follow.
The chief secretary to the Treasury, Stephen Timms, said the government was ahead of its target to save £21.5bn and cut 84,000 civil service jobs in the four years to 2008, as recommended two years ago in a review by Sir Peter Gershon.
See http://society.guardian.co.uk/careers/story/0,,1956075,00.html
http://www.cipfa.org.uk/publicfinance/features_details.cfm?news_id=29798
is an article that says the treasury will not disclose any of the details – full stop. Secret squirrel stuff.
An FOI request was turned down on ‘public interest’ grounds.
Who has been doing most of this work? Kable Ltd.
The amount of work that Kable has done for hmg has been enormous, as can be seen on their web site at
http://www.kablenet.com/kd.nsf/pages/servicesToGovt#?expandtab=lyrKB7
and is running expo’s on behalf of government, selling the idea of See, touch and feel the future of technology-enabled public services, and The official government procurement exhibition and conference in june07.
http://www.kablenet.com/events#?expandtab=lyrKB1
yet when a quick check at companies house is done it tells a different story.
http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/cff676b121d974723488f632d1289aff/compdetails
the last accounts filed were in 31/07/2006 (SMALL)
I understand that small according to companies house = less than 100k
I cannot understand how a company this close to hmg only earns 100k, who pays for the researchers, the staff, directors etc….
Don’t know if there is any Sith involvement, but my gut feeling is….possibly 2 lines to follow here.
i'm sure its just a total coincidence that in the week when the Sith were given greater prominence and exposure, we also saw much bigger news stories such as this email system and further Home Office chaos erupt.
Hmm..not sure we can trust the 'Whale' statement - it refers to the Labour party as a 'democratic socialist party'...
'a': "If you really think the bbc is left wing, why not ask some leftwingers what they think?"
Yeah right. I'm sure sundry Marxist-Leninists, Trotskyites and Stalinists would think that the BBC isn't left wing - but the point is that it is considerably to the left of regular British society, paid for with a regressive tax on everyone who wants to watch any television, not just the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation.
Check out Biased BBC for lots of examples of the BBC pushing a left of centre Guardianista view point...
McTernan, Powell, Turner et al certainly each have more than one email address...
Now why did I suddenly get a flash back to " I did not have sex with that woman"??????
Head of the Youth Justice Board's just resigned. Reid out within 2 weeks?
And to think this clown thought he could be the next Prime Minister.
LMFAO
Lotus Notes has also been used by some newspaper organisations. It isn't bad at storing large amounts of stories which can be recalled with keywords. But you do need it linked to a good server and as it's an old programme can go tits up when run alongside other programmes on networked computers...
Yes , but the Notes server does not have to be at Downing Street. Labour party officials can access it via the the Whale Secure RAS to where ever it is located, via the government network at Downing Street,(and whatever routers/firewalls etc the security services have put in place). They may even access it via dialup
One of the things that kept Woodward and Bernstein hot on Richard Nixon's tail was their careful scrutiny and word by word analysis of the "non-denial denials" coming out of the White House.
Keep it up Guido!
fuck off beeb-bashers. i work there and i read the telegraph and vote tory. so there.
Why is Microsoft being linked to Lotus Notes?!?!? Microsoft has been trying to destroy Lotus Notes for ages - LN has been a leading Groupware for years and its profile has only risen since being taken over by IBM.
anonymous 4:35
We know who you are.. There can only be one telegraph reading, tory voting and computer literate BBC employee ....
Anonymous said...
"fuck off beeb-bashers. i work there and i read the telegraph and vote tory. so there."
4:35 PM
Has your career hit a dead-end yet? Have you got above post-room?
Do you wrap your Telegraph in a copy of the Guardian? Bit tricky since The Guardian went smaller.
Is there some connection here to the latest NewLab 'guidance' to judges; however, of the "gang of four", surely Bliar is too dangerous not to lock up - he's probably the most lethal serial killer not to have won a Nobel Peace prize.
Just read the blurb on the Whale site, and their system is not an email system.
It basically gives the nu-labs a user id & password to connect to their email. It means they can use a public pc to check emails without leaving a copy of the email on it.
However, the actual email system IS Lotus Notes kept on a server located elsewhere, so any dodgy emails would still be stored in the database/backups. The Whale system cannot change the Lotus Notes email database, it just stops people from hacking into it.
Any "wiping all traces of email attachments, files and user credentials" only happens on the pc, not the database. Wonder if the nu-labs know this?
"The database access is for staff in the No. 10 office of the Labour party, Powell and his staff and also key minsters' SpAds,..."
The Chancellor of the Exchequer would be a key minister, with SpAds.
Who are Gordon's SpAds over the last 10 years?
Isn't hypoSpades undescended testicles?
In which case we should ask which Minister only has Balls come down for the weekend!
anonymous [4.35 p.m.] I notice you don't use capital letters, even for the first person personal pronoun. This proves you are really a Trotskyist, trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
you know the government where going on about 90 days detention a while ago in order to crack complicated computer systems and terrorist email networks
ha.. maybe they just knew from personal experiance
Stone me. This page is linked (in 5th place of course) from 'best of the web' on CiF!!!
WTF...
btw. Whether or not I agree with your politics Guido, I entirely agree with your disdainful handling of the trash that govern the UK. If our paths ever cross, the drinks are on me. Good on you...
Check out Biased BBC for lots of examples of the BBC pushing a left of centre Guardianista view point...
12:39 PM
Only problem is that BiasedBBC is a crock of right wing shit, they view things from a blinkered desparation to prove that the Beeb is Left leaning ... probably set up by the Beeb to distract people from what they're really up to ... supporting establishment ... this is a bit like trying to explain things to a Sun reader ... the Beeb is neither right nor left, those are just labels to confine your understanding of what is going on, the media and that includes the Beeb, Guardian, Telegraph et al all dance to the same tune, keeping the public ignorant of reality ... thank God we have Guido and others starting to expose their duplicity, by raising stories that they would choose to ignore.
http://www.hpcwire.com/hpc-bin/artread.pl?direction=Current&articlenumber=19184
Founder and CEO of Whale Communications start up in Israel in 2001 descrivbed the system .."Elad Baron.
"We created an air-gap between the two networks. The back office and Internet are completely disconnected at all times," he said. "There is a safe zone. If the data is OK, then it's passed on to the back office to execute the transaction." The system consists of two servers, or computer systems. One is connected to the Internet and the other to the back office. A black box in the middle contains a memory device toggling between them.
Interestingly Whale boast of their success in installing their
http://www.whalecommunications.com/site/whale/corporate/whale/pi=489/doc_id=33940.html
e-Gap Remote Access with the Labour Party that in April 2005 they increased their 100-user license to allow the maximum 250 users to connect remotely to the network, also deploying 250 RSA SecurID key fobs. A one month trial had been held with 30m users at the end of 2004.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/may06/05-18WhaleCommunicationsPR.mspx
When Microsoft announced their acquisition of Wale on May 18th 2006 they didn't mention the Israeli origin but said The company is headquartered in Fort Lee, N.J., and has international offices in Germany, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands and Israel, and representation in France. They are currently adverstising for oftware development engineers in Rosh Ha’ayin,Israel.
http://www.microsoft.com/israel/careers/jobs/312.mspx
Curious how Israeli companies are always helping with security ... the Tube ...