I seem to remember you being adamant mere days ago that the CPS would prosecute.
Not that any of us Lib Dems would cry at seeing Blair banged up... I'd prefer it to be in The Hague, though...
Surely you wouldn't bet your lunch so lightly, Guido?
January 19, 2007 at 10:19 AM
Anonymous
said...
I very much agree with what PEELER stated yesterday on this thread. Mr Yates was most happy to court the media when he was allocated this investigation. I was most perturbed about this at the time but now realise that he wanted to make a name for himself before his promotion board.
I do not think it is right that information collected towards a prosecution (which is deemed insufficient for a prosecution to succeed)that is not tested in a court as to its accuracy/honesty should be in the public domain.
The inherent corruptness of our current constitution where the decision to prosecute lies in the hands of a Bliar appointee will ensure the CPS rolls over.
Good to see that Yates will let the public decide on the evidence! I hope there's some stuff in there to humiliate Brown too...
Of course, if he were just to cooperate fully with the then-restarted parliamentary investigation, answering any questions to the best of his ability (there then being no issue of prejudicing a legal case), providing any documents requested etc etc then that would have the effect of publishing.
Of course, it might screw the chances for any private prosecution but the AG has probably got the right to do that anyway.
I think that Goldsmith refusing to roll over indicates that a prosecution is *more* likely; if he recused himself and then a prosecution occurred it would smack of weakness, if he stayed put and no prosecution it would look like political intereference.
January 19, 2007 at 10:43 AM
Anonymous
said...
Guido one must presume from your recent comments that you are no longer confident that there will be any prosecutions and are rather clutching at straws with thoughts of some pie in the sky private prosecution.
Perhaps you and the other right wing wing conspiracy theorists might have to accept that the current administration is no more or less guilty in this regard than its predecessors. The solution here is to reform the way people get into the House of Lords ( we have a perfectly good mechanism for this - its called an election ) not waste police time on trying to prove that the time dishonoured practice of a nod and a wink is the basis for a court case.
January 19, 2007 at 10:50 AM
Anonymous
said...
Yates is pressuring the CPS with this 'leak'. Either way, he's also covering his backside.
Having issued the threat, if he does or doesn't publish then that suits his position just fine. Shrewd political move, I think.
January 19, 2007 at 10:52 AM
Anonymous
said...
Bobby, you are an astroturfing cock-puppeteering spammer: you are David Milliblog and I claim my £5. And if you aren't, and Milliblog is reading anyway - you, sir, are a cunt of the first order.
January 19, 2007 at 10:59 AM
Anonymous
said...
Is Blair hanging on as PM with no credibility and authority to make sure he is not stitched up by Brown over cash for peerages? What will happen (as is quite likely) that the evidence vindicates Brown but fingers Blair and Levy? Will the Brown and Labour party screw Blair and move on? Not if Blair is still PM. I believe this is the real political agenda going on at the moment.
January 19, 2007 at 11:00 AM
Anonymous
said...
*spitting feathers*!! this lot are ten times worse, more blatant and more arrogant than any previous administration.
January 19, 2007 at 11:07 AM
Anonymous
said...
Bobby, given your astro-turfing comments (are you Alistair in disguise?), I guess Guido and my fellow "right wing conspiracy theorists" are onto something. Why don't you fuck off to the sleaze pit you inhabit in NuLab and prepare for a future career in the political wilderness when labour get booted out, or given that you are probably a blairite, when Brown gets in....
January 19, 2007 at 11:15 AM
Anonymous
said...
Well if Yates drops the pass and the CPS goes into hibernation, then we will have to rely on people power. A spot of mass anarchic rebellion, and the Romanian soulution, should see the problem solved. Plenty of lamp-posts on the M4 out of London looking for some adornment. We might even clean up politics, and it would be fun. We all have a bit of the vigilante in us.
Bobby, you are an astroturfing cock-puppeteering spammer
Said anonymous pot to anonymous kettle!
Ignoring the stench of whitewash for a minute, "Bobby" has a good point - is this the start of a Guido climbdown?
If the prosecution isn't going to happen he could at least have the good grace to be pissed off about it...
(And yes, we bloody well should elect the Lords)
January 19, 2007 at 11:22 AM
Anonymous
said...
If Liz and Peeler are correct and teflon gets away won't this be another nail in the trust relationship and the police service
January 19, 2007 at 11:27 AM
Anonymous
said...
Bobby, it doesn't matter how many people got away with it in the past. It's still illegal, and people who have committed such crimes still deserve to be prosecuted and punished.
I think there'a fair chance that the CPS will decide not to prosecute regardless of how compelling the evidence is, taking the heat for Blair just as Campbell did on the 'pschologically flawed' jibe. This doesn't just apply to politicians, people need to remember how far Labour has corrupted or ingratiated itself with the Civil Service. Remember the heartfelt cheers for Gordon as he returned to the Treasury after the last election or the fawning, tearful attitude of the teachers at the school where Blair made his announcement on resignation?
Anybody interested in mounting a private prosecution should be writing to Yates now, as a publication of the evidence would save Blair and his cronies.
BTW, I seem to remember that the reason for not prosecuting Miss Moss was the refusal of anyone to blag in a formal statement (just imagine being the sort of person who gets invited to Kate Moss parties and then being banned from every club in the western world).
January 19, 2007 at 11:41 AM
Anonymous
said...
Kate Moss wasnt a lying murderer though to be fair.
January 19, 2007 at 11:55 AM
Anonymous
said...
Guido
Yates of the Yard does want to publish the evidence gathered...
Such evidence will never be published.
You will remember that they stated there was not enough evidence for prosecution...
There wasn't a shred of evidence as I pointed out to her managment whilst Miss Moss was still abroad.
January 19, 2007 at 12:13 PM
Anonymous
said...
I know who Bobby is. He is Peter Mandelson's dog
January 19, 2007 at 12:41 PM
Anonymous
said...
also on the Bobby theme - we all know that paying for peerages has gone on since time immemorial but the reason it is worse this time is that the sanctimonious cnut in No 10 was elected on a no sleaze platform through the (machinations of Bobby's master) and then employed the loans dodge to try to avoid complying with his own rules on disclosure.
January 19, 2007 at 12:47 PM
Anonymous
said...
reports on political betting from daily.org that ruth turner has been arrested and charged.
The Met has been politicised in a way that John Stevens would never have allowed. Ian Blair sold his soul for the job and has been so overtly NuLab that it has even been embarassing to Number 10. They didn't like him saying he couldnt be involved with any decisions (as if!) because of his close relationship with Tony Blair.
Ian Blair and the Labour Police Authority will not overtly interfere, but quietly influence (as Ian Blair has done before). Yates is only interested in Yates and is looking to his own future in the Met, hence him getting friendly with the Deputy Commissioner in case Ian Blair goes over Stockwell.
There may be the odd charge made, but the only real hope of getting any really interesting papers released is if he is summoned back before the Committee and they demand the documents!
January 19, 2007 at 2:39 PM
Anonymous
said...
The Peeler said...
Yates is only interested in Yates and is looking to his own future in the Met...
The most sensible thing to have been written regarding this whole matter...
Unfortunately, the hierarchy at the Yard is top heavy with such political (sic) animals.
January 19, 2007 at 2:58 PM
Anonymous
said...
Yates's personal ambition (if indeed that is the driving force here) may coincide with the public interest. In this particular case the two things are not incompatible.
28 comments:
I seem to remember you being adamant mere days ago that the CPS would prosecute.
Not that any of us Lib Dems would cry at seeing Blair banged up... I'd prefer it to be in The Hague, though...
Surely you wouldn't bet your lunch so lightly, Guido?
I very much agree with what PEELER stated yesterday on this thread. Mr Yates was most happy to court the media when he was allocated this investigation. I was most perturbed about this at the time but now realise that he wanted to make a name for himself before his promotion board.
I do not think it is right that information collected towards a prosecution (which is deemed insufficient for a prosecution to succeed)that is not tested in a court as to its accuracy/honesty should be in the public domain.
The inherent corruptness of our current constitution where the decision to prosecute lies in the hands of a Bliar appointee will ensure the CPS rolls over.
Good to see that Yates will let the public decide on the evidence! I hope there's some stuff in there to humiliate Brown too...
Of course, if he were just to cooperate fully with the then-restarted parliamentary investigation, answering any questions to the best of his ability (there then being no issue of prejudicing a legal case), providing any documents requested etc etc then that would have the effect of publishing.
Of course, it might screw the chances for any private prosecution but the AG has probably got the right to do that anyway.
I think that Goldsmith refusing to roll over indicates that a prosecution is *more* likely; if he recused himself and then a prosecution occurred it would smack of weakness, if he stayed put and no prosecution it would look like political intereference.
Guido one must presume from your recent comments that you are no longer confident that there will be any prosecutions and are rather clutching at straws with thoughts of some pie in the sky private prosecution.
Perhaps you and the other right wing wing conspiracy theorists might have to accept that the current administration is no more or less guilty in this regard than its predecessors. The solution here is to reform the way people get into the House of Lords ( we have a perfectly good mechanism for this - its called an election ) not waste police time on trying to prove that the time dishonoured practice of a nod and a wink is the basis for a court case.
Yates is pressuring the CPS with this 'leak'. Either way, he's also covering his backside.
Having issued the threat, if he does or doesn't publish then that suits his position just fine. Shrewd political move, I think.
Bobby, you are an astroturfing cock-puppeteering spammer: you are David Milliblog and I claim my £5. And if you aren't, and Milliblog is reading anyway - you, sir, are a cunt of the first order.
Is Blair hanging on as PM with no credibility and authority to make sure he is not stitched up by Brown over cash for peerages?
What will happen (as is quite likely) that the evidence vindicates Brown but fingers Blair and Levy? Will the Brown and Labour party screw Blair and move on? Not if Blair is still PM.
I believe this is the real political agenda going on at the moment.
*spitting feathers*!! this lot are ten times worse, more blatant and more arrogant than any previous administration.
Bobby, given your astro-turfing comments (are you Alistair in disguise?), I guess Guido and my fellow "right wing conspiracy theorists" are onto something.
Why don't you fuck off to the sleaze pit you inhabit in NuLab and prepare for a future career in the political wilderness when labour get booted out, or given that you are probably a blairite, when Brown gets in....
Well if Yates drops the pass and the CPS goes into hibernation, then we will have to rely on people power.
A spot of mass anarchic rebellion, and the Romanian soulution, should see the problem solved.
Plenty of lamp-posts on the M4 out of London looking for some adornment.
We might even clean up politics, and it would be fun. We all have a bit of the vigilante in us.
At 10:59 AM, Mikey said...
Bobby, you are an astroturfing cock-puppeteering spammer
Said anonymous pot to anonymous kettle!
Ignoring the stench of whitewash for a minute, "Bobby" has a good point - is this the start of a Guido climbdown?
If the prosecution isn't going to happen he could at least have the good grace to be pissed off about it...
(And yes, we bloody well should elect the Lords)
If Liz and Peeler are correct and teflon gets away won't this be another nail in the trust relationship and the police service
Bobby, it doesn't matter how many people got away with it in the past. It's still illegal, and people who have committed such crimes still deserve to be prosecuted and punished.
I think there'a fair chance that the CPS will decide not to prosecute regardless of how compelling the evidence is, taking the heat for Blair just as Campbell did on the 'pschologically flawed' jibe. This doesn't just apply to politicians, people need to remember how far Labour has corrupted or ingratiated itself with the Civil Service. Remember the heartfelt cheers for Gordon as he returned to the Treasury after the last election or the fawning, tearful attitude of the teachers at the school where Blair made his announcement on resignation?
Anybody interested in mounting a private prosecution should be writing to Yates now, as a publication of the evidence would save Blair and his cronies.
Before anyone gets the wrong end of the stick, Guido still believes that charges will be placed.
Against whom depends on the strength of the evidence.
BTW, I seem to remember that the reason for not prosecuting Miss Moss was the refusal of anyone to blag in a formal statement (just imagine being the sort of person who gets invited to Kate Moss parties and then being banned from every club in the western world).
Kate Moss wasnt a lying murderer though to be fair.
Guido
Yates of the Yard does want to publish the evidence gathered...
Such evidence will never be published.
You will remember that they stated there was not enough evidence for prosecution...
There wasn't a shred of evidence as I pointed out to her managment whilst Miss Moss was still abroad.
I know who Bobby is.
He is Peter Mandelson's dog
also on the Bobby theme - we all know that paying for peerages has gone on since time immemorial but the reason it is worse this time is that the sanctimonious cnut in No 10 was elected on a no sleaze platform through the (machinations of Bobby's master) and then employed the loans dodge to try to avoid complying with his own rules on disclosure.
reports on political betting from daily.org that ruth turner has been arrested and charged.
anonymous 11.55
no she's just a trampy slag
The Met has been politicised in a way that John Stevens would never have allowed. Ian Blair sold his soul for the job and has been so overtly NuLab that it has even been embarassing to Number 10. They didn't like him saying he couldnt be involved with any decisions (as if!) because of his close relationship with Tony Blair.
Ian Blair and the Labour Police Authority will not overtly interfere, but quietly influence (as Ian Blair has done before). Yates is only interested in Yates and is looking to his own future in the Met, hence him getting friendly with the Deputy Commissioner in case Ian Blair goes over Stockwell.
There may be the odd charge made, but the only real hope of getting any really interesting papers released is if he is summoned back before the Committee and they demand the documents!
The Peeler said...
Yates is only interested in Yates and is looking to his own future in the Met...
The most sensible thing to have been written regarding this whole matter...
Unfortunately, the hierarchy at the Yard is top heavy with such political (sic) animals.
Yates's personal ambition (if indeed that is the driving force here) may coincide with the public interest. In this particular case the two things are not incompatible.
Ruth Turners arrest on the Beeb website now...